Episode 35 - Inspiring Excellence in the Learning Leader - Ryan Hawk

In this conversation, Kevin Davis interviews Ryan Hawk, a speaker, author, and podcast host, about his journey into podcasting and leadership. Ryan shares his passion for inspiring others and the impact of his long-form conversations with exceptional individuals. He emphasizes the importance of consistency and staying true to one's purpose. Ryan also discusses the influence of his parents and the role they played in shaping his values and leadership style. The conversation delves into the challenges of balancing work and family life, and the importance of being present and intentional in all aspects of life. In this conversation, Ryan Hawk discusses the importance of balancing work and personal life, learning from parents, managing conflict, and improving as a husband and father. He emphasizes the need to be intentional about making choices and being present in the moment. Ryan also highlights the value of surrounding oneself with the right people and seeking out mentors and role models.

Takeaways

• Balancing work and personal life requires making choices and being intentional about priorities.
• Learning from parents and their examples can provide valuable insights and guidance.
• Managing conflict is important in parenting and avoiding helicopter parenting.
• Improving as a husband and father involves seeking out mentors and role models.
• Surrounding oneself with the right people can lead to personal growth and success.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:00 The Journey into Podcasting and Leadership

06:00 The Importance of Passion and Consistency

09:00 Finding Fulfillment in Work and Life

12:00 The Influence of Parents and Role Models

16:00 The Impact of Podcasting on Personal Growth

21:00 Balancing Work and Family Life

32:00 Leadership in Business and Personal Life

38:00 The Gray Area of Work-Life Balance

42:13 Balancing Work and Personal Life

45:05 Learning from Parents and Making Choices

49:10 Managing Conflict and Helicopter Parenting

53:41 Improving as a Husband and Father

57:34 Surrounding Yourself with the Right People

About Ryan:

Ryan Hawk is an author, host of "The Learning Leader Show," and Head of Brixey & Meyer's Leadership Advisory Practice. As the author of "Welcome to Management" and the host of a globally recognized podcast, he distills insights from personal experiences and interviews with top leaders. Named on Inc. Magazine's list of "5 Podcasts to Make You a Smarter Leader," Ryan's notable guests include Jim Collins, Gary Vaynerchuk, and Simon Sinek. As head of a leadership advisory practice, he works with Fortune 500 companies and sports teams, delivering keynotes, running workshops, and facilitating "Learning Leader Circles." With a background as a quarterback and team captain, Ryan is passionate about helping others become effective leaders who build committed organizations.

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Transcript

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Hey guys it's Kevin Davis from the maxed out men podcast this is episode number 35. uh I am here with someone that is a
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huge honor to be with Ryan Hawk who's The Speaker author podcast host and I
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was joking with him before we started recording that you know uh looking at his resume his background and podcast
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Acumen I'm not sure I'm qualified to do this but um you know we'll make the most of it so I appreciate uh him taking the
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time to do it Ryan uh thanks so much for again taking the time to do this I'm excited to get to know you leadership is
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kind of your thing I know you do podcast on leadership you've written some books on leadership keynote speaking so hey
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give us more a little bit of a background on on what it is you do and then we can talk about pretty much
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anything you want to talk about in terms of leadership and that kind of thing well thanks Kevin appreciate you having me man
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um my focus uh really I think my purpose is to inspire other people to both value and
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pursue Excellence um some of the ways I do that is speaking with people far wiser than me
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um trying to approach them with genuine curiosity uh to push my edges intellectually and have have
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conversations with them ask them questions that I'm most curious about uh
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hopefully be a good listener ask better follow-up questions and um I started I started recording those
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conversations um eight and a half years ago and now I've had as you mentioned 500 I don't
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know 50 plus of them for my podcast the learning leader show and it's it's definitely been the most
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life-changing thing I've ever done it's created a lot of amazing opportunities the great relationships
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um and it's my favorite thing to do to have a deep long form conversation with a person who is has lived an exceptional
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life and continues to do so and that they have an understanding for why and they tell good stories and they're kind
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and giving and want to help other people and I like being around people like that I try to be one of those struggle at
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times but that's what I'm trying to do um and uh yeah I mean that that's that's how I spend a lot of days uh quietly
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reading and preparing for podcasts then recording them then thinking about them then analyzing transcripts and talking
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with people who are good at this to give me feedback and what's I think kind of
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I've stumbled into the fact that um if you do that for a while and you stay consistent and you ship your work and
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it's useful it seems to make other people want more and so I've built my
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business off the back of the podcast the written books giving speeches work with leadership teams from all over the world
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um an advising capacity um we do workshops we do trainings we do
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all different types of stuff I get to partner with people who I deeply admire to help me with a lot of these activities and it's a lot of fun man
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it's a lot of fun I feel very grateful and I think the reward for me is that I just get to keep doing it day after day after day so I try to try to do it
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really well and that gives me a chance for people to continue to want me to do it and here we are so I again appreciate
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you having me um we could probably take that in a lot of different directions but that's I guess as quick as I can get to it yeah I
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mean we definitely got time to explore whatever um whatever we need to but it's you know eight and a half years from a podcasting
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standpoint I mean that's like was there any even something they were barely calling in a podcast back back at that
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point right like that's uh that's a long time and and kind of to be on the Forefront of that is pretty cool yeah I
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mean I I I was a podcast listener there weren't as many um but I listened to my friend Todd Henry who lives down the
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road for me here in Cincinnati Ohio The Accidental creative and I think he's amazing he's been a great friend and Mentor I listened to Bill Simmons and
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Joe Rogan all those guys who've been around for more than a decade and um Brian koppelman is another
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interviewer who I think is amazing in world class I've been fortunate to go hang out with him in New York and
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um record with him too so I I was an avid listener of podcast even though
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there were far fewer choices um but I also had done tons of interview during interviews during my day job I
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was both initially a sales rep and then a sales manager and then ultimately was in a role Not only was I hiring for my
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own team but I was helping the hiring for many of our teams and so I was in a
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regular state of asking people questions of trying to get to know them of trying to then make decisions if we should we
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bring them to our business I worked for a company called LexisNexis and so I um I I was getting a lot of repetitions
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before I officially started recording so the combination of my curiosity to learn
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about people the fact that I'd gotten repetitions that the fact that I just finished getting my MBA it took me six
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years I did it at night I did it in between working all of that stuff taking
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exams you know with with young kids it was wild um but I I think what happened though
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was after I finished and my company reimbursed me for to get my MBA and they
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had this money out there that they would reimburse you to keep learning and I thought it was a waste not to use it so
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I actually considered going back to school again to get another graduate degree because I had that money there
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for my company to use and didn't want to waste it but I didn't love the whole
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process of getting my MBA I didn't get to choose my teachers I didn't get to choose my classes I had to go through a
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curriculum that they set for me to get that certificate at the end of it and my Hope was is there a way I could create
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my own form of a leadership PhD program I'm most curious about leadership about building great teams about moving people
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about inspiring them to achieve big results and so I thought well what if I
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chose my own professors what if I asked them exactly what I want to ask them and
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then I could publish those conversations that maybe others could learn along with me who knows maybe we could create a
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community of learning leaders and yeah I could have never necessarily envisioned I don't really set big big or long-term
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goals I just try to focus on the daily actions and being consistent and doing so then led to lead to like like we've
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talked about these really neat opportunities that I'm trying to soak them all up and and keep at it so that's
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that's really my motivation to keep trying to get better at this is because it just creates a lot of amazing
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opportunities for me to do some fun work with great people yeah it's interesting because there's kind of this narrative now I listen to a
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lot of micro right micro is the and and in my world um because of what my wife has done and
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because of we're big in the automotive space we around a lot of Trades people so like the big there's a bit of this
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um you know and not animosity but a discussion between formal quote-unquote Higher Learning versus the trades and it
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kind of goes into what you're saying a little bit um so your motivation to go get your MBA
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was that you know you wanted to learn and and it was paid for which all also helps and and but out of that you're
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saying that you know you kind of uh wanted to create your own curriculum and you didn't really get everything that
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you need now did you find that time valuable and and like is that something that you use daily I I don't have an
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interview my MBA yeah your MBA I mean I I don't have an NBA I have a bachelor's degree a couple Bachelors my undergrad's
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in Communications so I needed I needed to be more well-rounded to build up my career I mean I was in Corporate America and so I I was I was working with ivy
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league mbas who were telling me you got to go back to school to be more well-rounded if you want to build a
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career so I did I started the program for probably the wrong reasons I didn't start it because I was curious to learn
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I started because I wanted the good I wanted the the graduate degree I wanted my MBA
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um and I actually kind of approached it that way which is not you know I I probably have just matured a lot later
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than most people I didn't really like school I didn't read many books um I wasn't that curious I played
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football and so all I was focused on was was being the best quarterback I could possibly be I went to school because I
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had to I still got decent grades but I didn't really apply a ton of my effort there I applied all of my effort in the
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weight room in the in the meeting rooms on the practice field and certainly on game days on Saturdays um so after after
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college I still was thinking I mean played in the arena league I went up to CFL so I was still thinking about football I didn't really think about
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work and when I got that advice hey just go get your MBA it could help you it was really about the result it wasn't about
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the learning along the way the cool thing about my podcast is like there is there is no result or there's no Big
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Goal I'm I'm seeking I just do it because I love to do it the the the win
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is that I get to do it so there isn't really any more winning beyond that now like I said it's created really cool
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opportunities to meet amazing people which is awesome but there's no like end game it's just what I want to do and to
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me that's like the the most amazing reward is that I get to keep doing the thing that I am most curious and
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passionate about and I realize not everybody gets to do that so I try not to take it for granted and and approach
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it by working really hard and being overly overly prepared so that I keep adding value to people's lives that's
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why they listen and so my my plan is just to really keep doing that and
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that's not always that fun because some people set these really great strategic plans and have long-term goals and maybe
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I should do that maybe I need to get better at that but as of now I haven't really done that well I mean it sounds
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like there you have a fulfilling life at the you know I mean the Fulfillment I I
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was on a podcast last night and we're talking in particular about fatherhood and marriage and those kind of things
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but we were talking about the this dichotomy of for men between work and
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life and family and all these things and I I used a phrase that I try to use a lot which is my goal is to use what I do
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for a living um to build a life not the other way not not use my life to build companies I
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have a bunch of different brands and do some different things as an entrepreneur but like that's what it sounds like you're doing so this whole pressure of
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hey I gotta have this goal and I gotta meet this person I gotta take it to this level and and I think that's what a lot
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of men and especially get it get kind of trapped in yeah it's but I get it I mean
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the biggest piece of advice I get from a lot of people who maybe don't think about enough is follow your passion and
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I understand I think you got to bring passion and love and curiosity to what you're doing in order to get world class
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at it but there's also like like most of us we just we need to pay the bills like we need to create a financially secure
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home for our families like that's really a big priority for most guys and for most just leaders and people in general
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so I that's why I said I feel very fortunate to be able that the fact that the world seems to want and need the the
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thing that I love doing the most I know for a lot of people that does not necessarily align so there's honor and
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hard work there's honor in paying the bills there's honor in supporting and being there for your family I don't
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think you have to necessarily like find the thing that you're most passionate about and then that's the
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thing some people try that they don't make any money right like Chris Rock's joke he's like yeah it's great to follow
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your passion as long as they're hiring I mean there's there's a lot to it so in in a way like I don't i i in fact I
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admire and people who go earn a good hard honest paycheck to support their
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family even if they don't love the job now hopefully they have hobbies hopefully they have things to fulfill them hopefully maybe they get there and
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they find that so that they feel really good but but no I like I had a sales job
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and did I love the product I was selling or love the people I was selling to not necessarily I grew a love for the work I
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grew a lot for my teammates I grew a love for the people that I worked with or the people that I then eventually LED
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I didn't necessarily like have this deep passion for the product or my company
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like I liked it I was grateful for them but I had like a deep passion in love for doing great work for showing up for
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my teammates for us performing all of those things were deeply fulfilling and enriching so I think you can have it in
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just other ways um I just again feel fortunate to be able to do the thing that like if if I
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if they said like you don't have to make any money you don't do anything what would you do I would be doing this so I
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I feel pretty fortunate to be in that position to be doing the thing that I would want to do if I didn't need to
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make another dollar in my life that's pretty I mean that's that's what a fortunate place to be because there's
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a you know even with this this small little you know and this is this is not a money generating thing for me
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necessarily yet I'm hoping at some point maybe it you know will but there's there's an altruistic approach for me
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I'm 50 successful marriage relatively successful business-wise and and I I
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sought out to try to help other men and our little tagline is to be who you were
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made to be right like that's it it feels like the same for you there's this altruism to say hey that I really want
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to interview people for my own curiosity and edification but then share that with the world so that you know everybody
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else gets to join along with it in the meantime have have some amazing conversations
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yeah yeah I mean the I think that's what but that's the cool thing about podcast is is the fact that it creates an
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opportunity to meet interesting people and to ask them what you're most curious about and to to develop great
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communication skill and build relationships I mean it's pretty much all upside um regardless of any of the financial
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impacts that you have I mean even if you don't make money on it there's still
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huge winnings and takeaways from doing something like this from having the guts to reach out cold and ask people to be
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on and then have those come prepare for those conversations and have those conversations and then publish them so that others can judge you and maybe make
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fun of you like all of that there's I think there's a lot of upside for having the guts to do it and then to continue
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on even as it gets hard or continue on even when you have a million other things going on in your life
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um that's I think that's a huge win in itself so um when people come to me and ask like
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if I can help them start a podcast like part those are some of the questions I ask why are you doing it why do you want
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to do it and if they say something along lines well I hope to create like a marketing channel so that it can shine a
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light on my business and help me like earn more clients or make money or give keynote speeches you know I'm a little
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I'm a little concerned that they're going to be able to withstand some of the tough elements of it everyone's excited at the start but then you know
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people slow down and it gets tougher and they're not seeing the results they want and they stop as opposed to the person
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who says I'm I'm curious about people and their stories and find them fascinating and I want to have those
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conversations I'm going to record them and I'm going to share them with others so they can listen and maybe learn along with me when they have that motivation I
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think the chances of it sustaining and lasting over time go way up because the win again is the doing of The Thing
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versus some sort of result that you do not have control over you have complete control over who you're going to call to
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email how hard you prepare the conversations you have the quality of those things and then publishing all of
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them you have control over all of that you don't have control over the results so if you love the process part of it
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and you're able to divorce the results element I think you have a good shot of the results ended up ending up being
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really good because you'll last like you'll be able to endure versus the ones who are just seeking some sort of result
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out of it yeah with this podcast in particular I love I love that kind of
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ideology because it like I started this out I'm thinking hey I want to you know I want to help men I want to do courses
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and coaching and all of these things and kind of figure this out and and I'd love to do a podcast and you know I fully
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expected it to suck at first which it probably did uh we're still I'm only 35 episodes in but but being able to have
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these conversations and and we've kind of running in on the automotive side in our lives we kind of run in some circles
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that oftentimes and I'm sure you know even in your spot you may have had this thought like are they gonna figure out
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that I have no business being in this room like at some point it kicked me out
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but the people I've had an opportunity to talk with even if they're not you know a-level celebrities or you know
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super high level business people um all all in all have been so
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interesting to me to be able to talk to you know a friend of mine who's a 92
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year old past former Pastor to talk about his life and then to to talk to a
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younger guy in Poland about sex education for men and you know all of
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these because we're so widely varied right like we have those conversations but yeah the the side bonus as my wife
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tells me and like you have become such a better listener as a as a result of
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doing these podcasts excuse me it's a huge win but that impacts you in a great
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way both with her as well as others in your life right 100 yeah have you so
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when you seek out to reach out to guests you're do you have a particular methodology or not methodology but like
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are you saying okay Alex hermosi or some guy person like that there are certain things that I know about him and what he
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does but I'm seeking out to get additional information like what's your what's your kind of thought process
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because obviously Alex has a has a public Persona that he's you know very well cultivated and and all and those
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kind of things but the end of the day he's just a guy trying to run a successful business and have a successful marriage right so are you are
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you asking like why I reach out to him yeah I'm curious what your what your thought process as you as you prepare
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and begin to talk to him and the questions you ask and you know because you don't want to just be like well hey tell me about 100 million dollar leads
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tell me about you know those things right yeah so for that one in particular I
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remember uh many cold emails over the past um I don't know six months
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um and then got a response and said he wanted to do it which was cool um I didn't fully realize how he had
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taken over the Internet even when I had reached out I was curious because I'd seen some videos like probably most of us online
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um and then just dug into his story I was curious about his upbringing I mean the episode we did together he talked a
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lot about his dad and and the phone call he made to him when he was driving cross country and how upset his dad was with
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him and um I mean I was curious about him and how he became the guy that he is today I
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think that's for most of them is I do a ton of research so I have a a an outline
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that's that's probably worthy of about a four or five hour conversation that we don't get to the majority of that just
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trying to understand people their stories um I think the stories are what's most
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memorable and so how can we like my speaking and writing and even podcasting Style with story science practical
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applications so the story engages you grabs you pulls you in the science proves that it's true it shares some of
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the the the parts that maybe um are important but are a little bit more boring than the story but important
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and then the practical application answers the questions like so what why should should I care why are you talking about this because listeners ultimately
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they want to be entertained they want to be informed but I also think most of them are looking for some sort of
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behavior change and I want to I want to impress upon them some sort of behavior change to do something that will make
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their life better so anytime I'm thinking about any guest it's understanding what are the unique and
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interesting stories in their life that will bring these Concepts to life that
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will make you remember them and that may Propel you to act and so if we get some
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sort of behavior change that's a huge win so just like a keynote speech and a podcast very similar I should be
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entertaining I should be informative and I should move you to act and if I get off the stage and I didn't do all three
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of those things it's a big F it's a fail um podcast same way and so I I approach
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my outlines I approach my questions I approach my follow-ups my listening every element of a podcast or a keynote
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speech the same way of being entertaining informative and pushing you to action and if I do that then I feel
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like it's it's a good one and if not then you know I'll throw the podcast in in the trash and we'll never release it
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and so to me that's that's how I try to approach everything and if I do that enough day after day after day I mean
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we'll we'll probably have a pretty good business so that's that's really how I try to approach things and being very thoughtful and intentional about that
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each and every time and um when I do and I do it well then things typically go go well for me
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I feel like I'm getting a podcasting 101 lesson which is amazing which is awesome and hopefully will improve but what I
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what I'm doing which I'm I say that in a in a good way in a you know really really my own a lot of these
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conversations that I have are kind of for my own edification too so like hey let me learn and and let me improve and
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do things better and um but it's so I want to kind of change
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gears a little bit because most of our audience that I that I talk to are you know men that are struggling trying to
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do what they're doing you know to try to improve in in all these different areas of life
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um as kind of I think I find it really fascinating that someone that was a quarterback who is essentially just a
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leader on the field um you know how did that impact your
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overall understanding of leadership I'm curious about that I'm also curious about like what your home situation was
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in terms of like what your dad did to try to teach you some of those things if you know assuming that dad was there
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doing that um because you mentioned Alex's dad but because one of the things that we talk a
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lot about on on this podcast and with the people that I have conversations with is this you know difficulty in with
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fathers to try to teach their sons in particular because we talk about masculinity and those kind of things how
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to be men and how to be you know masculine in a way that's acceptable
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desirable and you know loving so I'm kind of give me a little bit more
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background on that story um and how it might relate to you know being a quarterback being on the field
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and turning that into leadership and then also where you got that information and where you got that learning so my
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dad or or playing quarterback which one you want to tackle well let's talk about let's talk about your father first yeah
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um in terms of like if you were you know how he taught you about being a man
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being you know a leader on the field and those kind of those kind of elements of that world yeah uh so my dad is is
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Remains the number one Mentor in my life um I think you know I as I've as I've
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gotten older I realized just how lucky um I am for both my mom and my dad I think my dad first and foremost what I
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would say about him is the fact that he's he's one of the most selfless people I've ever met um and his dad my grandpa Hawk who's
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also still alive um is is maybe the only person who's more selfless than my dad
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um and then I would say the third person who is very close it would be my wife Miranda so you could tell I'm kind of
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attracted to people who are in service of others uh my dad showed that first
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and foremost by how he treats my mom um still to this day they have a long loving marriage I think it's it's really
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about him treating her with respect with taking care of her he's worked very hard
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he provided uh really well for us I'm the middle of three boys so older
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brother younger brother I think we've all done relatively well and I would attribute the overalling majority of the
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reason why to my mom and my dad um so he he didn't have to say it and he in fact he didn't really talk it to us
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much about what it means to be a man or what it means he just lived it so he
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didn't teach it we just caught him in action every single day and still to this day so uh we didn't have a lot of
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those conversations it was it was mainly us seeing him uh show up and do work he
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worked very hard until he retired he still works hard but now he's working on other things um but just show show respect for people
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um I met I've met so many people that my dad's worked with and it's amazing that he's one of the few people I've found
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that is both deeply deeply respected and loved usually you get one or the other
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um and it's hard to find many people who have both where you can tell people just love them to death but they respect them
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for their work as well it's just hard to do so I I think that's that's that's first and foremost what I think about
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with him and then you know um he's just always there and I think when you talk
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to people about what they want and what they value and what they've loved about their parents and what that now they're
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trying to do as a as a mom or a dad is is I think your presence is required in my first book welcome to management
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there's a whole section just titled your presence is required p-r-e-s-e-n-c-e right they value your
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presence more than your presence and I think it's important that we're there we show up and so to me as a dad that's
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what I'm trying to do is is show up is to be there each day um they have sports they have homework
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they have they're they're upset they're happy whatever it may be show up be
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present fully present be all the way there that's what my dad does my mom does and so I'm I'm trying to model
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myself after that as well and I'm just lucky to have an amazing model to to
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model myself after because I realize as I meet more and more people in the world that not everybody has that in fact a
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lot of people don't so it's it's just an amazing amount of luck and I'm just trying to make the most of that luck
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yeah so what what did your dad do before he retired he led a thousand person sales force um
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okay and so he worked his way from a customer service representative uh out
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of college to promotion promotion promotion promotion over the course of 30 plus years and worked its way all the
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way up from the very entry level and I think that is very hard to do to then be
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leading an organization of a thousand people and I watched him get up on stage and give these amazing speeches where
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the crowd would go nuts and just seeing all the people respond to the way that he's just got this way about him is
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really cool I mean it still has it it's really neat to see he doesn't do the same things anymore but that's uh that
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that's that's what he built his career to do and I mean you so the you pointed out a great thing
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which is to be loved and respected and like you said so many people almost so
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many men kind of demand respect but don't necessarily earn love you know of
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their peers and their subordinates and their you know bosses and and those so he taught you or or earned the respect
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you could only Respect by doing the work right you gotta that's not like something to give I've
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had bosses who demanded respect that I didn't respect at all because they did nothing to earn it right so to me like
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you have to and you have to earn that every day and so that's there's so many different ways to do that by showing up
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by being competent by being overly prepared by caring deeply for your people like that's a lot of work every
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day and it never ends and I think that's that's the thing that I think people really admire about my dad most is just
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that like he was always like I think consistency is a part of our family DNA like we're gonna show up we're gonna ship work we're gonna to do what we need
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to do we're going to be very reliable and dependable all these unsexy terms but very effective and useful and I
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think that's another part about like just showing up and being there each day it sounds well yeah of course they do
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that well no not everybody does they're not all Dependable or reliable or available all of that those are all very
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important things on your path like trying to do really good work and to help people and to support them you just
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got to be there and I think that's something I'd certainly try to do both in my personal life and my professional
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life so you're married have how many kids we have five you have five kids wow that's
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awesome Yep um how long have you been married uh uh good question
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trick question I mean that's and again that relationship that you saw with your
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parents I had this conversation on that same podcast last night about so I've been married for 28 years my kids are 25
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I just have two girls 25 and 23. but I heard recently from my youngest to say
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that the way that you treated mom showed me showed me how I'm supposed to
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be treated like that that modeled for me that relationship and it sounds like that your parents did the same thing and
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which is leadership in and of itself like that personal leadership showing if
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I treat you know when you saw the way your dad treated your mom you learned what it meant to be a husband and a
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father and those right hey guys thanks for listening to this episode I hope you're enjoying it and learning a lot if
29:22
you're looking for extra help don't forget that I do offer one-on-one coaching we can talk through a ton of different issues I can give you guides
29:29
guidelines and logistical help to help you take that next step or go to that
29:34
next level in some of the things that you're dealing with your life we also have some course content some guides and
29:41
a lot of educational materials over at maxed outman.com for the coaching go ahead and go to maxoutman.com coaching
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and you can learn about that and then just go to maxed outman.com for everything else thanks for joining us now back to the episode yeah I I mean I
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think that's that they whatever they do is your normal right especially until
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you get out in the world and you see more things like that's just normal so whatever your household was if it was
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crazy and chaotic that's normal that's what you think is the way the world is if it's a dad loving and doting on uh
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your mom or a husband and a wife that's your normal that happened to be mine and so I think that's what I try to do now
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right is just thinking about what am I normalizing what am I making am I yelling and being disrespectful well I
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don't I mean that's the worst possible thing I could do to to normalize in our home and so it's really about
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um showing respect and love and care and making them go oh stop doing that because you're hugging and kissing and
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saying how much you love each other and like you're whatever you're doing all those like all of that stuff leaves an
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imprint I know and they're watching closely even if they act like as they become teenagers even if they act like
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they are not into that that to me is um it's just it is an interesting thing to
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think about that is Forefront of our minds at all times yeah because those girls I mean my girls
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used to do that too it's like oh I can't and I mean we we now have
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a very open relationship with our girls to the point where like Dad we cannot you're not supposed to tell us these
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things right like it's but but gross ways or whatever but like to be able to say you know your mom and I so I
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had this situation where my youngest used to just pop by she was in college here locally and she would just show up
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at the house at any given time and you know which which is fine except for when
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it's not fine so I I had to tell her I said look I need you to understand that
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I love your mom like a lot a lot so when you show up at my house at you when you
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just pop up to the house you may not know what's been going on in the not in the last hour so they're like oh gross
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you know but first of all it did she did start texting me like six times before she showed up the house that was that
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was one result of that but she but she also recognizes that someone that has been married 28 years it's normal to
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have that kind of intimate relationship right and to be able to show her that and she the irony is that she's been
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through a series of kind of bad boyfriends but she's finally found one one that treats her the way that she
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expected to be treated and so that's a huge blessing for us but it's it's crazy what you can model for your kids yeah so
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important man it's so cool to hear though so when you talk about so I'm I I love
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this whole story about your dad and showing these things because I think a lot of fathers um and maybe you face this too a lot of
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fathers kind of go into this especially young dads now or young moms thinking if I do XYZ then I will get XYZ result
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um and so it's not about you you kind of point out it's not about the doing it's really about
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um or it's not about the to-do list it's more about the overall ideology of your
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family and how you view your family how you view your kids and the world that you're trying to let them grow up in
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is that something I agree with yeah I mean that's it's really about what you
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choose to do each day how intentional you are how thoughtful you are how um I think being being reflective and being
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an introspective person could be very helpful to then see how you're going to show up I'm I'm not a big believer in
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just wandering around and hoping for the best um I think it's important on us as Leaders to be
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very reflective and thoughtful about what we've done each day to analyze those days to see what what can I do to
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be better or the Charlie Munger quotes one I live by the prompt that I push on leaders all the time is what did I do
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today to be a little bit wiser going to bed than I was when I woke up what did I do today to push my edges a
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little bit to be a little uncomfortable who did I talk to what physical thing did I do to push my body right all of
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that like to me it's just about like I I want to be just a little bit better um at the end of the day and if I stack
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enough of those days good things will happen so it's not like it doesn't have to be grand plans or these these amazing
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things or even a ton of analysis it's really just a few prompts a few things to think about each day so that tomorrow
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I should be a little bit better today should be the worst I am you should listen to this a year from now and laugh
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at yourself and be like I'm so much better I've had another year of repetitions at this podcast I know I I
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do all the time listen to one last year I'm like what was I doing right and that's after doing it for seven years
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and so I think it's still it's it's it's just that's normal we should look back
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at our past selves and probably laugh and wonder and say oh my gosh we should do that if if we're not we're probably
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not growing and that's not a good thing so that's that's how I try to approach this and
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um you know just so hopefully by the by the end of the day by the end of the week by the end of the month if I'm
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analyzing myself I'm I'm I I can see this kind of steady upward trajectory so I'm getting a little bit better and just
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trying to stack day after day after day so really being reflective and not
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necessarily a huge goal setting but what you know you teach nothing you teach leadership all you know all the time
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in in like our and do you just employ the same leadership tactics in your
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family and in your daily life that you would in business or or is there a is there kind of this split on this is what
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you do in business and in life and this is what you do and you know your marriage your family your kids
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um or all of those kind of intertwined in what you do I mean I think it all goes together I don't really think
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I I mean I tried to to lead uh in a servant-based way all the time
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um there's no real switch I mean once I'm awake I'm awake I'm trying to lead I'm
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trying to influence I'm trying to move people I'm trying to help people trying to serve them and care for them and love
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them so it doesn't yeah I would I would say it there isn't really a time like
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yeah there are different ways you approach People based on your relationship to them and what's happening in the world but for the most
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part I kind of am who I am lived by a set of values a code that doesn't turn on and off that's just who I am
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um and uh I'm trying to evolve and improve and have an open mind to always
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get better and be open to better ideas when better evidence presents itself I definitely changed my mind and I think
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um it just it's just always an evolving process but no I wouldn't say there's much difference in me regardless of
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where I go of how I approach leadership okay that's I mean which is probably how
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it should be right where the whole where the whole man trying to do trying to do you know take everything that we learn
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and can conglomerate that into our daily lives uh yeah I mean it's like if you think of it like
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I've rarely met the person who is just this high integrity caring loving great
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husband and dad who then cheats at work like I just and vice versa like I have
37:13
I've rarely found the guy who cheats on his wife and then doesn't kind of cut Corners at work like unfortunately I've
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seen both sides of that and so it's it you kind of you are who you are like I I
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it would just be weird it wouldn't be it wouldn't be a genuine or or or authentic
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I guess if if you you did you did it wrong one place and then right the other
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place and vice versa so to me it's a big red I had a boss like that once it was a huge red flag on the first day I met him
37:41
I remember and he's you know in a relationship and Mary whatever and then all of a sudden he's talking about why
37:48
he loves being on the road and talking about women and stuff and I thought this is a giant red flag you know I just met
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this guy um he knows my story and my situation as a husband and a dad and I just thought like oh my gosh this is not going to end
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well it didn't it did not end well and so um usually people are pretty aligned
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um and and they kind of tell you who they are by by how they choose to behave and treat people and so uh yeah it I
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just haven't I I usually I I think it's it's worth it just to pay attention and see how people are anywhere because
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that's usually how they're going to be everywhere yeah because that that I've heard it said something like Integrity
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Integrity is what you do when no one's watching and you can't get caught yeah
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and so that's what you know I and I think now in today's world I think that
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Integrity is something that is um harder to come by in my experience a lot of you
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know like you said you've got people out there that on the surface they look like they're amazing and and great at this
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thing or successful but at the end of the day you look at their life and and their thought process and you know if
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you're if you're gonna like you said If You're Gonna cheat on your wife I can't trust you because obviously you're not a
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trustworthy not a trustworthy person um I'm curious with all of the people
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that you've interviewed there's this whole concept of work like that work life balance which is a little
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bit of a misnomer I think because it's very very difficult to do that um it sounds like that you're you're a
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man that actually has this um dialed in a little bit more than most you know that's just on on the surface
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from what you're answering you're talking to very high level men and women and is this something where they tend to
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lean more towards balance or lean more towards being out of balance in order to
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be as successful as they are in the things that they're doing um it's tough to it's it's like I just
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don't think I don't think the worker like balance thing is black and white I think it's pretty gray I think there are moments of imbalance a lot of the
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greatest things I've ever produced have come from those moments of imbalance um like for example book writing or
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heavy preparation or for a speech or for a podcast I'm not necessarily balanced at those times with that said there are
40:07
times of the year where it's very important to walk my youngest daughter Charlie to the bus or get her off the
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bus or or leave early when it's very warm here in Ohio to take her to the pool right so there there are just it's
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never fully perfectly balanced there are just times when I try to be intentional about the fact that these years of them
40:28
being kids in our home go fast and to just be very present and intentional
40:34
about making sure I'm there for these moments um but there are other times when I have
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to travel or I have to be somewhere because part of my job is to support our
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family financially and that I take that responsibility very seriously just like my dad did like he traveled quite a bit
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but do I ever remember him missing games or not being there no I remember him pretty much being there did he did he
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miss a practice or two during the week because he was work of course did he have to be places and take crazy flights
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to get home red eyes whatever yeah I do the same thing so I think I I just think
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it's more about integration it's more about the fact that there are times that you're not going to be balanced to be
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okay with that to understand to do excellent work you got to put in excellent effort and sometimes that
41:18
takes away from other times there's trade-offs at times um I've I think if if if your entire
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life though is a trade-off where you're putting your family or your spouse on the back burner I mean you that that is
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probably not going to go well for you um so to me I just try it just be it's about being thoughtful and intentional
41:39
like everything else with okay Charlie gets off the bus at 3 50. well I want to
41:44
be there right okay the pools are open because it's hot here well we're going
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right throwing her up like those are the things that are really cool to do um okay we have volleyball tournament
41:54
this weekend how I'm making sure I'm there soccer games like whatever yeah you got to say no you gotta you
42:00
gotta walk away from some of these amazing opportunities from time to time to cash a check because your family is
42:06
right there and you don't want to miss it so I just think there's trade-offs there's things to think about it's a case-by-case situation knowing for the
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most part though that I am trying to build a great family life first and a
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great business second and so from a priority perspective that means am I maximizing the growth of everything I do
42:25
in my business and the revenue that I bring in no I'm trying to maximize my
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relationships with the most important people in my life first and then second I'm trying to do that
42:38
um and that you prove that by the decisions you make you prove that by
42:43
saying no to a high ticket keynote speech but it happens to be right in the middle of the volleyball tournament so
42:49
you can't go right these are real life things that I've dealt with so I think like hey guys thanks for listening to
42:55
this episode I hope you're enjoying it and learning a lot if you're looking for extra help don't forget that I do offer
43:01
one-on-one coaching we can talk through a ton of different issues I can give you guides guidelines and logistical help to
43:08
help you take that next step or go to that next level in some of the things that you're dealing with in your life we
43:13
also have some course content some guides and a lot of educational materials over at maxedoutman.com for
43:21
the coaching go ahead and go to maxoutman.com coaching and you can learn about that and then just go to maxed
43:27
outman.com for everything else thanks for joining us now back to the episode those are those are things to think
43:32
about and it also then helps me design my work so that I don't have to necessarily be away as much and I can do
43:38
more of it like this I try try to do that as best I can so there's trade-offs uh it's about integration it's about
43:45
making choices they're case-by-case basis and it's also just knowing where your priorities lie and then having your actions prove what you say to be true
43:52
and I try to I try to live up to that not always not always don't always do it right but I try to do right as much as I
43:57
can yeah so it's really it's it's purposeful imbalance um in the right ways you know something
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like you said sometimes if you've got a chapter to finish or you page however you do your writing style if you've got
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this to finish and deadlines the family understands that you you're going to be out of balance in that direction however
44:16
they also understand that dad's going to be back you know re-engaged for pool time and bus time and volleyball
44:23
tournaments or and practices and all that yeah yeah I mean I I think
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um they understand the stuff doesn't just happen like you got to make it happen and so I I think they they get that when
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people ask me like how do you do this how'd you write that book well I mean you sacrifice some things right okay and a lot of times I sacrifice sleep that's
44:44
not good that is not a healthy thing long term so you got to figure out how to make that up you know whatever it may
44:49
be it's just knowing that there are trade-offs for everything that we do and we got to figure out how we're going to
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balance it as best we can because as you know these years like years are out of the house like these years are like boom
45:00
and so it's like don't waste them I talk to parents who have kids that are out of the house and like that's that's the number one thing every single one of
45:07
them says to me it's like dude it's like boom it's like that don't wish those years away when you're stressed or
45:12
you're the Uber driver for everybody or whatever like cherish those moments that's so important to be very present
45:19
in there and so uh I've been told that enough that I I'm just trying my best you know to to do that
45:26
and are are your parents actively involved in in that like trying to teach
45:32
you and show you you know the things that they did or you kind of feel like you're making it making it up as you go
45:37
along or just using them as an example um I had a terrible example growing up so I've been kind of making this up as I
45:44
as I've gone along and failed a ton with my kids and um continue to do so and trying to
45:49
navigate this adult life you know adult relationship with them and but I'm
45:55
curious how you transition from hey this is a great model that I had um but then like we're it's kind of on
46:01
the job training with with children in marriage dude we are all figuring out as we go I have no idea what I'm doing I I
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really I mean I I try to learn I try to talk to people who have done it before me I see the model my parents set so
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certainly very lucky uh presence again is so important being there showing up
46:21
being a good listener um creating the environments for conversations to flow I found uh when we
46:28
go out to dinner one-on-one sitting at the bar that we're side by side and we're you know looking forward to the TV
46:33
more conversation seems to flow than if we're sitting face to face riding in cars together
46:39
um all that's like really important uh times to be very intentional about one-on-one car rides one-on-one trips
46:45
one-on-one dinners uh walks also side by side so all of these things create the
46:51
environment for information and communication to flow back and forth just being a trying to be a kind
46:56
supportive listener don't coming don't come down on them and say like what are you doing that's idiotic well I still do
47:03
idiotic things and I'm much older than them so I gotta expect them at times to be making bad choices hopefully nothing
47:09
that's gonna like really mess up their life but at times they're gonna make poor choices and they got to live with
47:14
those choices and so it's like not plowing the way but but being there being supportive
47:20
um that's like my dad when people ask him like what'd you do you know your boys grew up to do some pretty cool
47:25
things and and he would say well well you know they know I'm always there they know I'm supportive but I also tried
47:31
very hard to let them figure things out to like my parents never had a
47:36
relationship with any of our Sports coaches ever my coaches hardly even knew who they were and we played my brother played professionally for 11 years he
47:43
never knew anybody they they were there if needed but if we
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had a dispute or an issue or a problem or we weren't getting playing time we had to figure it out it was on us and
47:54
that goes for basically everything School a boss a coach any any issue was on us to figure it out
48:02
and I think that's changed a lot now that that seems like it's changed a lot the second something is wrong a parent
48:09
is is jumping in it feels like in most cases I'm trying to to to be there and
48:15
supportive but hey you you gotta you gotta handle that with your coach or you
48:20
got to handle that with your teacher you got to figure that out like this is on you um my job is to get them prepared to
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live without me and so if I'm always there taking over or speaking up on
48:34
their behalf um something as little as like our when our our daughters were even young very
48:40
young they're going to order their food at dinner right they're gonna shake the hand and speak to the other adult I'm
48:45
not speaking for them if they're asked a question they're gonna have to answer that question I'm not going to speak it for them I see that happening constantly
48:52
where parents order for their kids or they speak up for them or they say oh Johnny wants this or that and it's like why don't we listen to see what Johnny
48:58
says so I I'm trying to like create that environment where they got to be self-sufficient they got to be tough
49:05
they're going to stand up for themselves they know I'm here as a support person but really like they got to figure these
49:11
things out because that's the only way you're going to learn and um obviously like you said I messed that
49:17
up all the time too but I'm just trying to to be good at that to help them be good without me
49:23
yeah because that's I mean it we live in the helicopter parent generation I was
49:28
reading a story just the other day where somebody you know A kid got fired from his job because he literally would not
49:35
go to work and after he got fired the Mom is calling his boss begging him to
49:41
take him back and I'm like are you kidding me what are you teaching the this kid you know and and we we deal
49:48
with a lot of young young parents because we do some marriage mentoring and those kind of things and and there's kind of this trend now to where you know
49:56
and and part of this is true every emotion matters and I need to make sure I understand exactly how everybody's
50:02
feeling at all times and you know it's kind of the anti suck it up and move on movement kind of a thing like there
50:10
really is no we we're removing the ability to to manage conflict because we
50:17
we're telling them how important every single you know struggle that they have is I said it feels like to me do you
50:24
find conflict when you're like for your kids or with other parents or maybe there's something if you're like me you
50:30
don't really care about that but is this something that creates a challenge for you because your parenting style is
50:36
probably much different than a majority of of other parents and in their kids
50:41
lives I've had much conflict with parents or coaches I mean I I don't personally go
50:48
sometimes coaches learn about what I do and they will seek me out and we'll have I'm happy to have those conversations or
50:54
other parents but I don't outwardly share what I do with people um they'll also find it themselves and then we'll
51:00
have conversations I haven't had much conflict I think people sometimes ask for advice and I have no idea what to say a volleyball coach hey what you know
51:06
what should I what should I what speech should I give I don't know I have no idea what speech to give to this high school volleyball team I have no idea
51:14
um I can share some things that I've learned about being a part of good teams I don't know if that's helpful or not
51:19
but I haven't seen a lot of a ton of that I I think mostly I mean I'm I'm
51:24
pretty fortunate I feel like our kids are they have pretty for the most part pretty good friends with great parents I mean
51:31
not 100 but for the most part people that I enjoy being around that we have good conversations some of them have
51:36
absolutely no idea what I do they don't because my daughters don't people most
51:42
dads have like real jobs right so it's easy to say what their dad's real job is mine still don't fully know what to say
51:48
oh he's got a podcast he writes books he gives speeches people like oh really like I can't really make money doing
51:55
that well they don't they don't if they they've never heard of me they don't have any idea what I do they don't understand so in a way sometimes it's
52:02
just more funny and then they'll stumble upon and maybe they'll go back like you're 500 some of these things and they
52:07
listen and it is kind of neat to see the conversations that form after that fact because when I'm out in that environment
52:13
with parents and stuff I'm my my wife is much more engaging personality and a much more
52:19
enjoyable person to be around so I'm usually the quieter one who may be having a one-on-one conversation with
52:26
somebody going deep as opposed to being the life of the party so they're maybe surprised at the fact of all the stuff
52:32
that I do that involves talking and communicating and all that when we meet in in public and and my wife kind of
52:39
runs the show because she's just got a much more electric personality which is awesome and I love it about her but it's
52:44
just different from mine when we're out and it's setting like that yeah it's funny about the conversation
52:50
that you're talking about with your kids I when my kids were growing up I one of my companies is a web development
52:55
company and we used to do you know we used to do major projects and database design but one of our big projects was
53:01
we created kind of a learning online gaming system and this was this was kind of back in
53:08
the day but I remember a teacher asked my oldest what's your dad do for a living he plays video games on the
53:15
computer all day exactly because we were tested you know we're doing all this testing but and and even now as an
53:22
entrepreneur I have 10 different brands across four different businesses across like seven different
53:28
um Industries and so when people ask me what I do for a living I joke and I say it would be easier for me just to make
53:34
it up and tell you I'm a drug dealer because then at least you'll have some sort of context in order for me to
53:42
explain what you do and so I just tell people I sell stuff on the internet and I also have a podcast for men you know
53:48
that's that's kind of that's kind of my my go-to but yeah that's uh but it's interesting that people will then seek
53:55
you out um for that advice to be able to speak into and you're like me I would much
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rather have a conversation with you know my myself or another couple
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um and and that and to be able to have that intimacy versus going to a huge party and kind of you know mingling and
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making that making that those rounds but hey what are you so if you took kind of
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the the essence of leadership in in relation to men being husbands and
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fathers and I know this is kind of like you do huge keynote speak speeches on this but if we're kind of gonna boil it
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down um you talked about being present what kind of you know what are these conversations look like if someone like
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me first of all I have a very difficult time with the team aspect of it I'm kind
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of this DIY to my fault uh I I have a new business coach and he was looking at
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everything that we do and he's like dude you need a team of like four people you can't do you're not doing any of these
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things to Excellence because you're trying to do everything yourself so it's kind of the anti-leader we're trying to
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lead myself so I struggle with that and I think a lot of men kind of struggle with this you know one-man Army mentality uh
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overall but as men are trying to become better fathers better husbands Better Community leaders better leaders in
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general what what kind of how do you boil that down for someone that's wanting to kind of take that even even
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the first steps towards Improvement in those areas uh I think your who is
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everything you're going to become the people you choose to surround yourself with so figuring out what that is
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um being intentional about the groups where you're hanging out and I think trying to
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join groups where your desired behavior is their current behavior is a good start James Clear said it to me when we
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recorded and I think about that all the time about how am I intentionally putting myself in the position to be to level up
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to be better to find other growth focused leaders that are ahead of me and
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go talk to them um befriend them add value to their lives so hopefully we can build a real
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relationship so I I think if if you're looking to get better that's the first place I would start it's um my friend
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Brooke cup says you can't be tough Alone um most of us are better when we are
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lifted up by others and everyone's got their own story and their own key
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learnings and um a friend of mine and a member of my learning leader Circle named Larry
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Seiler wrote this great post called treat everybody as your mentor and he tells a story about him and his son in
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Washington DC walking around a homeless man spoke to them and just imparted some
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some life wisdom uh to them that changed their life and I think
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um it's ha it's sometimes you might look at somebody like that and say well there's nothing I could learn from them well I don't know you might be wrong so
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to me treat everyone as your Mentor being very intentional about your who joining groups where your desired
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behavior is their normal behavior um could could lift you up could could
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push you beyond your current zone of comfort and competency and um that's what that's what I try to do
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um when sometimes I'm asked to do like a big leadership development program with a company that may take years I mean the
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first thing I'm thinking about is who are all the people that I've befriended that are better at this than me they're
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going to be my team I'm gonna find a way like we'll figure out the money we'll figure out what are we gonna I'm gonna and and I'll and from
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that not only will I better serve my client but I'm going to learn a lot along the
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way and I'm going to be teammates with people that I really look up to and to me that's been one of the coolest Parts
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about this is somebody does seek out that from me because maybe they listen to The Show for a long time or read books or
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all of the above and now I'm getting to create teams of these amazing people to
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help me better serve others that is awesome so that's what I would I would
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probably start with is who is your who and how are you intentionally putting
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yourself in the position to build meaningful deep relationships with people who impress you and doing people
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you admire right not only for what they've accomplished but in how they've accomplished what they've accomplished right with high integrity and ethics and
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all of that so that's probably what I would start and if you get that right a lot of other things end up taking care
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of themselves because you're in the right Arena you're you're with the right people and it gives yourself the best
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chance for good things to happen yeah and I think that it's that this proves uh and and you prove all the time
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is that it doesn't necessarily have to be someone like that you go and see
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every day there are other avenues in order to to get this exposure to get this learning obviously local friends
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are are important you know you want to make sure that you have those relationships as well and to your point about team and and being stronger
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together I I think about that log carry that the seals do during Seal training
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basically they they pick up this log that is literally it takes however many guy I can't remember I think it's five
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or six guys that have to lift that up five guys can't carry it or four guys
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can't carry it it takes the entire team to carry that load and I think that that's that's something that we can take
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in our own and I think a lot of men fail out like we really want to be this self-sufficient tough kind of doing
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things on our own at least I know that's that's true in my life and to be able to seek out and learn from other people and
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to do to to do those things at Excellence well hey Ryan I want to be
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respectful of your time I'm I'm very thankful that you took the opportunity or gave me the opportunity to sit and
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talk with talk with you this is this is awesome and um you know kind of helping to support you know somebody that's
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still learning along this journey for sure and and uh I'm gonna take what we talked about today and actually try to
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integrate it and be better so like you said a year from now I'll be like man that interview with Ryan Hawk sucked I
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gotta do better you know better this time um you know that all of that but hey
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where do people find what you're doing um how do how do people learn more about what you've got going on I'm gonna you
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know I'm already subscribing to the podcast and I'll be listening more to that but where do where do we learn more about what you got going on
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learningleader.com home base for basically everything I do is at learningleader.com okay perfect very
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very good well hey thanks again for taking the time I hope you have an awesome rest of your day and I'm excited
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to kind of learn more about you from what you do and also the people that you talk to thanks man appreciate you having
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me.