Episode 33 - Strong Men, Strong Women, & An Holistic Approach to Wellness - Amy Stuttle

In this conversation, Amy Stuttle discusses the services offered at Victory Men's Health, including hormone optimization, sexual health, weight loss, vitamin IV infusions, and gut health testing. She emphasizes the importance of a comprehensive health assessment and the role of testosterone therapy in achieving life-changing results. Amy also highlights the significance of sleep and shares insights on improving sleep quality. She encourages men to know their testosterone levels and take control of their own healthcare. Amy discusses the future plans for telehealth services and addresses the cultural misconceptions surrounding masculinity and femininity.

Chapters

00:00 Compound Pharmacy and Holistic Wellness

37:59 Services Offered: Hormone Optimization, Sexual Health, Weight Loss, Vitamin IV Infusions, Gut Health Testing

39:11 Comprehensive Health Assessment 

42:23 Cost and Insurance

44:03 Testosterone Therapy and Life-Changing Results

45:02 Importance of Sleep

46:10 Sleep Patterns and Chronotypes

47:22 Red Light Blocking Glasses

49:31 Importance of Knowing Testosterone Levels

51:03 Telehealth Services

53:33 Future Plans for Telehealth Services

55:11 Women Want Strong Men

56:24 Breaking Down Gender Stereotypes

58:20 The Importance of Masculinity

01:00:32 Balancing Gender Roles

01:02:35 Teaching Boys to Be Men

About Amy:

Amy Stuttle is an entrepreneur who has carved her path in the world of health and wellness. As the founder of Victory Men's Health, a multi-location healthcare clinic that specializes in health optimization for men, she has an unwavering commitment to improving men's lives and redefining the landscape of men's healthcare.

Amy also founded victory rx, a telehealth company for men who are unable to physically visit the standalone Victory Men's Health locations. Now, they can access expert guidance and support remotely.

She also hosts her own podcast, "Women Want Strong Men," featuring guests from diverse fields such as health, business, professional sports, politics, and entrepreneurship. Amy’s podcast offers a unique perspective on why women desire strong men. She examines how this desire shapes the pursuit of health, success, and prosperity.

Prior to launching Victory, she was a collegiate golfer, worked in medical sales, and owned the pilates barre studio.

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Transcript

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Welcome to maxed out man helping you
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become the man you were made to be hey guys it's Kevin Davis from the
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maximum podcast I'm on episode number 33. today I'm super excited for this one I'm here with Amy stuttle who is an
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entrepreneur who has carved I'm going to read a little bit of her bio and let her go into more detail uh Amy's an
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entrepreneur who carved her path in the world of health and wellness and she's the founder of Victory Men's Health a
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multi-location healthcare clinic that specializes in health optimization for
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men Health optimization she also founded Victory RX which is a Telehealth company
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as well and she does her own podcast which is women want strong men so I'm kind of wanting to to split this podcast
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into we'll talk hormones and Hormone Health and Men's Health and also I want to talk more about that and I think
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after reading this and I think after this episode I'll add Amy to my list of badass women I know including my my own
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wife of 28 years so I'm super excited so hey thanks for coming I appreciate you taking the time to do this and I I'd
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love to learn a little bit more about you that's your basic you know LinkedIn bio stuff but I want to know from you
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specifically
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do not realize how much goes in to actually host your own podcast so congratulations thank you very much
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thanks yeah so I got started I was always kind of had an entrepreneurial Spirit like I
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was always in my head um Conjuring up that next idea and always had that fire in the belly for
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that but Victory Men's Health spurred out of a health condition or a health
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situation that my husband had so my husband who I would consider an educated consumer he is a chief operating officer
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for spinal implant company so also in healthcare went into a local supplement store and purchased an over-the-counter
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supplement and ended up with liver failure oh my gosh yeah so he was hospitalized for months and it was an
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eye-opening experience for us you know the heptologist at the hospital was like
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um yeah I see supplement induced liver failure all the time and I was like what how is that even possible so it it
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spurred this concept of like why are men walking into a supplement store and
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buying these testosterone boosters versus going to a doctor and and so whenever I talk to my husband like okay
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now that you're healthy if you want to actually go get your hormones checked and start down this path like why don't we actually go see a doctor so when we
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started to look at doctors in the area to go see there were really no good options I mean I was like whoa it was
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like these high pressure sales places that were only focused on erectile dysfunction and then the then you had
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the contrary the the positions that were mainly treating women and and doing pellets so I was like you know what
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we're both in the healthcare space I was in medical sales at the time and I also owned a gym I was like I think I want to
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do it so that's where it came from and I was like we can do this better it's going to be a high-end facility we're going to have actual Physicians that see
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the patients we're going to break down the stigma that surrounds hormones because it's typically associated with
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erectile dysfunction and that's not true that is that is false information and
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let's build a brand around around this topic and see if we can break down these
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stigmas and get men talking about it and wanting to come in and see us and that's what we did we've been in business seven years now it's called Victory Men's
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Health we're located in the St Louis Market I have three locations with a fourth one on the way and then we have
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the Telehealth company as well that's awesome you know I think uh it's rare now really that's a that's an
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awesome Niche for you because I think now what we have our our options where we go to a local doctor who doesn't know
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anything about hormone management or we go to like you said the high pressure you know sales people and and those
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clinics that may or may not know what they're talking about May or not want to look at what you're doing
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um so yeah that's that's definitely a niche that needs to be filled and it's and I don't want to pick on your primary
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care doctor here but it's it's not really their fault I mean they've learned hormones what for one day 20
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years ago I mean it's really not their specialty and they're seeing so many other conditions and trying to save
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people's lives and there's just a lot it's fast pace I mean hospitals typically own them they're trying to jam
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20 30 patients in a day so in all fairness to them it's hard for them to really get in the weeds and be able to
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treat your hormones it's also not something that insurance companies want to cover so now you're looking at a
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cash-based situation in and if the hospital owns the primary care office that's not something they're interested
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in I mean this is an insurance-based model so there's there's a there's a lot going on there why the primary care
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doctor can't really properly properly treat your hormones so yeah there's
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definitely a need for Specialties for men and women I recently helped a urologist and a female doctor open a
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women's health clinic and there I I couldn't believe how underserved that
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area was too because I was always kind of like you know females have the OB gyns to go to they're more proactive in
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their health care so they have better options than men have but I'm starting to learn that that's that's really not
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not the case men and women are have both been underserved in this area of Health optimization and hormones yeah it
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actually it's funny because my wife gets pissed off at me because she's like dude you literally can shoot yourself in the
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ass twice a week get your numbers where they need to be and now you feel like you're 20 years younger like you should
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and she's like I you know her particular doctors have not been able to help her
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with that and so it's something that for women even though we've talked about HRT
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and all that there's this fear about the risks associated with HRT with them and
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and all that so that's definitely a market that I mean I don't think it's served yeah and that's you know that's
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unfortunate there was there was a studied on on on with estradiol several several years ago
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that started these misconceptions around hormones for women and it was kind of like the same with men how the
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testosterone and the prostate cancer misconceptions started and it takes a
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long time to claw that back and to bring people up to speed with the new information in the new studies and and
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to break down those concerns but yeah it sounds like your wife maybe needs to see a specialist because you know I'm on
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hormones myself I take testosterone I do a cream I'm not on the injections but
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there's plenty of women's that also do a low dose injection and then I'm also on progesterone I'm not in menopause so I
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don't need to take any estradiol but I think even if you're a young female like
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I guess I consider myself young I'm in my 30s I I you know I have a child and I don't think there's any female walking
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around on the face of the planet that has bird the child whose hormones are actually balanced okay right so I mean
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I'm definitely a proponent of of women optimizing their hormones as well yes I
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think maybe we need to have her reach out but she she just turned 50 she is not she's still uh pre-menopausal which
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is actually kind of rare at 50 for the most part so she's still kind of doing that but like she was like well if I
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take testosterone then I have all these you know I grow facial hair and all you know all these different things that can
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can facial hair um uh no I mean if you're taking high
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doses of testosterone yeah sure you know maybe a female starts to grow facial hair or voice changes and stuff but if
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you're taking a low-dose testosterone I mean that's really not something that we see or something that's not manageable
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by any any stretch of the means so I I women women need testosterone and and
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pre-menopausal women are the most underserved and symptoms get brushed
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under the rugs more than anybody like and they're typically the ones experiencing the most side effects from
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the hormones chains prior to getting into menopause so I feel terrible for the women that are suffering and and
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perimenopause and that their doctors aren't treating them until they get to menopause it's it's definitely an area
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where you want want to be treating your hormones yeah because in her case it's literally like her Primary Care
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Physician's like well this is you know this is your life now basically is that's the diagnosis for her yeah and
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it's you know it's frustrating for her because you know she's seeing stuff like obviously desire you know libido is a is
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an issue yeah um you know the the hair growth and all of those things but tiredness and like memory things that
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she's starting to see right which frustrates the crap out of her I'm sure and so like all of these things and you
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don't really think about it in terms of hey this is a this is an area that is just largely ignored
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um yeah and those are all the classic symptoms and you don't have to be okay with them and you can definitely
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definitely treat those yeah so our you know our audience on this for maximum man's largely men of a certain age but
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they're married most of them are married to women so if your wife is dealing with some of these things as we talk about testosterone as we talk about hormone
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management and wellness you know it's not just for men you know there there are things that that can be done with
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that can you walk me through so let's assume that the people listening don't really know much about testosterone
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don't really know much about health and wellness and side note my my degrees in exercise physiology and I ran health
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clubs for the first five years of my career so it's funny how we have that connection but
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um but kind of walk me through what that because a lot of men really don't know anything about it or they don't really
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have you know the basic knowledge on because what do you think you think oh well this dude at the gym is doing 200
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milligrams every three days and he looks like you know Dwayne The Rock Johnson who by the way is also on steroids but
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you know walk me through that yeah well I guess because that's probably a misconception
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if you you don't want to be on hormones because you think you're going to be like this roided out huge gym guy that
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that's not actually the case but we're really in a low T epidemic and we have
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men that come in with their father and the father always I I don't know if I
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can think of a situation where the the sun has a higher testosterone level than
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the father and that's because look around us with these Plastics and what's being injected into our food and what's
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in our water system and it's just like so the the lab levels for testosterone
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keep getting lower and lower and lower and lower because they adjust to what the norm population is right so now
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we're becoming okay with these lower and lower lower testosterone because they're quote in range and it's it's really
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frustrating so talk more talk more about that because that because I don't I don't think a lot of people understand exactly what these Norms what they do
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right talk a little bit more about that so this a normal testosterone own reference range from let's say a lab
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core request might be anywhere from 250 I'm talking in total testosterone here
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not free testosterone when free testosterone is actually the most important because that's what's available to your body but let's just
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talk in terms of total testosterone because that's what most men are if they have it run by their primary or seen so
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the T level is typically somewhere between 250 to 800 on this on this reference
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range well that is a huge range right a 250 level might be quote normal for a 70
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year old man but that should not be normal and acceptable for a 40 year old man or a 50 year old man I mean you're
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really wanting to be in these upper levels of normal and even even potentially surpass that depending on
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what your testosterone levels were whenever you were younger you don't treat the number you you treat the
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symptoms so a lot of times you're going in to see your primary care doctor they run the total testosterone in your quote
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in this range right not under not under 250 and they're like well you're fine you're in range that is not that is not
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the case I mean um you're wanting to treat you're wanting to treat that if you're in in
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those levels and if you and if you have symptoms you're definitely wanting to treat that so don't let don't you got to
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kind of be your own health advocate here don't don't just take your doctor's word for it you actually want to be if you're
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having these symptoms laying eyes on your laps knowing what your numbers are and and tracking that information yeah I
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think that's important across the board for healthcare we have kind of I live in outside of Bozeman Montana and we have
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fairly substandard Health Care here not because just because it's fewer doctors
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more Hospital control more Insurance based stuff all that and you know in my case so I try to be my own Advocate as I
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get older for anything medical it's like I don't assume that that they know more
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than I do necessarily you know they they do but it you know I need to advocate for myself I think my my number was
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definitely sub 300 and I'm 50. I started I had that tested when I was 44 45 and
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the doctor's like well you're in your normal range I'm like well if you need me I'll be crying in the back of my closet 30 pounds overweight you know
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it's like it's just crazy yep yeah I know for sure and a lot of times that has to do with insurance too
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because the insurance company doesn't want to cover it unless you've had two blood draws in the morning you fall
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outside of that range so again these primary care doctors are also pigeon told and into this model and that's why
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most of these hormones clinics are a cash pay business because that's the
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only way to truly typically optimize hormones the way they should be yeah so that's I mean definitely I'm and we're
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not trying to demonize the you know primary care physicians because like you said whether it's nutrition or Fitness
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or hormones or anything they they have to treat you know they're trying to treat all of those things and they have major restrictions my daughter is a
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paramedic and she's actually pre-med now and I'm like when she first start talking about that I'm like have you
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talked to any actual physicians in the last five years about being a physician like is this you know make sure this is
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something you really know what you're getting into because I don't think it's getting better yeah you know for us in particular
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to go want to go work for a big hospital system yeah for sure so what are those symptoms I kind of interrupted you as
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you were kind of giving us the basics of trt or testosterone hormone wellness and all that
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yeah I mean there's a lot of different symptoms and some of them you mentioned earlier from brain brain fog loss of
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muscle mass Sleep Quality um erectile function
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um sex drive I mean all these things are symptoms of low testosterone and there's
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things that testosterone are needed that that maybe you don't have symptoms of I mean you need it for cardiovascular
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health you need it for nitric oxide production so there's things that it's doing inside your body that you're maybe
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you know not aware of so there's other benefits to trt besides just those
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symptom relief yeah because it's a it's I don't know that you could call it a catalyst hormone but it's like I mean
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especially for for men and women but obviously for men it's a very important hormone and I think that we don't really
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give enough credit and attention to it yeah there's a lot of Downstream effects that testosterone or impacts that it has
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has on the body yeah it's it's for a long time you know you know and shove to the side like it's
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it's maybe not important I think we've realized um as Healthcare has progressed that
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optimizing your hormones is is extremely important if you want to live your best life and you want to live a long healthy
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life I mean even look as you get older with maintaining muscle mass I mean the day that you can't bend over and tie
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your own shoes you have a major problem or the day you can't get up out of your chair on your own you have a major
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problem right and so just maintaining that muscle mass as you age is is
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critically important and testosterone for men and women will play a big impact in that and um you know kind of back to
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when we were talking about this this reference range and and optimizing your hormones and we were talking about the
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gym person and steroids and you know testosterone is banned from professional sports for a reason right because it
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gives people an edge okay it gives it gives these athletes an advantage so it's always confusing for me whenever
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people want to dump it into this category of like of this like this
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steroid abuse and they don't want to be any part of it's like it's it's it's banned from professional sports because
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it's giving people an advantage if you're the normal lay person why wouldn't you want that like you want the
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edge nobody's abandoning you from taking it in your day-to-day life you're not a professional athlete so if you can if
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you can take it if you need it why wouldn't you want that that's all yeah because I mean it's it's literally
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called performance enhancing right like who doesn't want better performance in their daily life if if they could have
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it uh nobody that I hang out with I can tell you that I mean I'm just like hello yeah so why do you want to be average
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let's go back I mean it it changed my life and I had another guy on my podcast that is kind of in this space and we
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talked about the uh you know trt or no trt game that I I play I don't know if you do this as well but like I'll walk
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through the airport and I'll see a guy and be like about my age like I said I'm 50 be like that dude's on trt that
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dude's on trt that guy needs to be on trt but he's not you know yes we play that game and then we also play
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it with like have they ever played any sports in their life and oh yeah you know we judge people based on that with
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my son I'm not I'm not sure what we're teaching them but it's kind of fun hey you know I always tell my I always
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tell my girls you know stereotypes exist for a reason right so it's okay to be honest it's okay to put the people in
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stereotypes just just a little bit so I think I run so if 800 is is the top on
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sort of the accepted range what do you and again we should probably State up front that this is not medical advice
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blah blah blah blah you know see your primary care physician all that we're not giving medical advice it's just basic information I don't know why we
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have to say that but yeah there you go what kind of ranges are you seeing and
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let's just talk testosterone for now but I do want to get into more of the whole you know the whole Wellness picture whole holistic Wellness picture what
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kind of numbers are you seeing for people to be Maximus I think I run 11 or
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1200 somewhere in there and that's like my base that's like where I need to be
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there a little bit higher yeah so I guess I should say too I'm not a medical provider I'm a business owner I'm not
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I'm not in uh the clinic which I'm pointing over here because it's attached to where I do the podcast at
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um so I'm not I'm not treating people I'm not interacting with them then clinically but I obviously
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um you know build this business this I was the patient coordinator I go to all these conferences I interview a lot of
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doctors and we have a lot of interaction here at the clinic but I'm not the one personally treating them so
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the reference range like I mentioned 800 typically sits at at the higher end we
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typically see symptom relief probably in that 800 to 1200 range here's the
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problem a lot of times unfortunately this range can be dictated by attorneys
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right people that people that are so happy so sometimes doctors get uncomfortable
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pushing people up over it could be 800 it could be 1200 their number it depends
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on the doctor but then you have other doctors that I've had on the podcast that are like hey if they still have
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symptoms I'm pushing them up to 2 000 they don't care they keep go go go go go go go until they get the symptom relief
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so it really just depends on who's treating you and and what they're like um you know risk risk diversion is here
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but I would say that on average when men are getting up over that 800 range
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typically they're seeing symptom relief but it also is tied back to their free
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testosterone it depends on like sex binding globulin and stuff like that but
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on typically they are directly correlated with one another so that's where we're typically seeing them
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symptom relief fat yeah and I mean I I'm fortunate because I have a naturopath so
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I originally started out with a clinic in Florida of course is because that's where like 90 of them are yeah but
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um I don't know what it is about the Florida law that makes sense yeah that makes that makes that attractive for
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that but like and then I I'm fortunate because I actually have a naturopath that you know whether this is a good
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thing or a bad thing as a as a doctor I can say hey here's my numbers this is what I need can you write me a
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prescription and keep my testosterone flowing and he's he trusts you know I show in my labs I redo labs and and all
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that stuff not doing anything on ethic unethically but you know that that's fortunate to me able to kind of
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self-manage those things a little bit but I'm also not incorporating stuff I
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did originally have HCG I did originally do some Anastrozole for estradiol and
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and I don't you know we we killed that and that was that actually at his behest he was like this you need estrogen in
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your body you can't limit that so that's a common mistake that we see or people come from other clinics and they're on
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an AI Anastrozole you do not want to be on one of those I mean and asphalt
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treats breast cancer I mean why would why would you want to be putting in a chemical that harsh into your body uh I
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mean there's there's thoughts that estradiol because testosterone converts into estradiol that that might actually
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be where all the benefit of testosterone is coming from for a man so you do you
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don't want to block it you want your body doing it naturally and if you're concerned about it or if you're chasing
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some number you can control control your estradiol by how you give and administer
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your testosterone more frequently or doing creams versus injectables or
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whatever it may be for that person's uh unique physique but you do not want to
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be blocking estradiol and there's really no need to be on HCG um either right out of the gate I mean
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some people get on it um in conjunction with some other things for maybe fertility or they're worried
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about a testicular shrinkage and then you would get on it but you should not day one you're starting hormones and get
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on testosterone and HCG at the same time but we do see a lot of clinics they start patients on testosterone an
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estrogen blocker and HCG all at the same time or even worse because HCG has
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gotten extremely difficult to get um for something yeah it's basically impossible to get yeah so we can still
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we still get it we have a good relationship with our Pharmacy and we can get the commercial brand but basically uh the FDA changed it to a
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biologic and compound pharmacies are not supposed to be making it anymore so so
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anyway that people have switched to Clomid prescribing Clomid and an AI and testosterone and Clomid and HCG are not
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the same thing and you do not want to be taking Clomid at the same time as you're taking testosterone it's just a mess but
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we do see that that mistake commonly from patients from other clinics and can you dig into some of that I mean I you
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know I think we're talking you and I understand this stuff because we're you know and you understand it 10 times better than I do but in terms like this
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is that's kind of the cocktail that they put you on but I'd love to kind of can you understand can you help me
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understand or help the listeners understand the mechanics of how those those things fit together and then what
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the alternatives are and kind of what what your process is and let's dig into kind of the holistic side of Health and
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Wellness right because it's not just shoot yourself in the ass or thigh a couple times a week and and go on with
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your life yeah so I guess people are other clinics I'm speculating put them put the man on
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testosterone in an AI and HCG because they're trying to get out in front of
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these quote side effects that have been been conjured up along on the way from
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bro boards and and bodies I like that I like that bro
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I'm on this Pro board so I I love being on the pro boards and reading what the things people come up with I'm like oh
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my gosh this has never even crossed my mind this is crazy um so they're getting put on an AI an
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asterisol to block estrogen and we just talked about this you do not want to be blocking estrogen so that's why they're
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that's why they're throwing in that in there because somewhere along the way bodybuilders you know thought they're
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estradiol needed to be totally bottomed out to get the leanest physique that you could possibly get that's not the case
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so majority clinics that are on top of the late just research and go to these
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big conferences that I go to majority of these clinics are are dropping an astrologist like you
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said that your doctor you know told you like let's let's stop doing this and then the HCG gets drug in
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um for the testicular shrinkage or maybe wanting to keep your sperm count out our
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sperm count up and so that's why that's getting tossed into the mix so they're trying to like do too many things at one
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time like you don't need you don't need all of that and to introduce that many different things to your body at one
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time is is not the best method to go about it and at our Clinic we offer all
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the different types of testosterone we don't just say we only do shots or we only do pellets or we only do creams
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it's like everybody is different and at the end of the day it's just trying to get the the patient the best results and
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what the patient's going to be compliant on because if the patient's not compliant if the patient has a patient has a needle phobia like what good are
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we talking about testosterone injections like we have to come from a different angle so so we do the injection we do
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them intermuscularly or we do them Sub-Q which means like in the in the fat you
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know typically in the belly hip area wherever the patient feels comfortable but that's like a small diabetes needle
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and typically like 30 31 gauge or whatever it is yeah yeah it can be a little tricky though because testosterone is thicker oil based so
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either why it's lower dose dosing you know there's an injection technique there you don't want to break off the needle or anything like that but we do
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have patients that like to do it Sub-Q and they inject more frequently because you're injecting more a lower dose and
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then yeah because the viscosity the viscosity of testosterone cypionate and it may be in grapeseed oil or some other
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oils like I I actually tried a couple of of times to do the the smaller needle I
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do like a 27 gauge now in my hip but like I tried and I'm like
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honey I'm gonna go inject my testosterone now I'll be back in a half hour by the time I get this out of the out of the syringe but and you bring up
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a great point if it just it frustrates the crap out of me like we do YouTube videos training people and the
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get on there be like needle can respond like stop
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talking like not everybody can and does not everybody wants to inject for 30 minutes and try to push this thick oil
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out like people want to be in and out quick and they want to use a larger needle size to do that and we would we
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would you know agree with that in the clinic like you don't want to be sitting there with that needle and they're shaking you know trying to push that in
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so it's like no different things work for different people like um and we do the testosterone cream and
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we do the cream trans scrotal um versus you know just applying it on
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the arms or the inner thighs like some guys might apply a trans scrotal and then do like The Leftovers on the armor
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they might do one click on the on the arm uh some people will do that once a day some people will do that twice a day
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we've nicknamed it ball butter and so sometimes like it's it's a little too thick like to put it on all at one time
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so they might split the dose twice a day but it's a phenomenal way to
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administer testosterone um and it's probably it's probably one
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of our uh one of our best ways that we recommend guys to administer the testosterone and
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how does that how does that work with your partner because I know that's one of the the kind of concern you know quote unquote concerns with creams is
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you know transfer and all that you just you just have to let it dry I mean there's really I mean you're not going
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to go up you don't want to go put it on and get in bed with her or maybe you do because it might actually work to your
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favor so but usually it's a non-concertainty you're not gonna you're not gonna like
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you don't want to put it on and then pick up your kid where it's still sticky and tacky and and transferable but
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usually so once it dries it's it's absorbed and you know you're not concerned yeah I mean I guess put it on
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20 minutes ago and add some like super sweaty thing going on you can get some but it's probably I think
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our Pharmacy inserts has something like 30 minutes to wait something like that but it dries
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it dries pretty quickly hey guys thanks for listening to this episode I hope you're enjoying it and learning a lot if you're looking for
29:14
extra help don't forget that I do offer one-on-one coaching we can talk through a ton of different issues I can give you
29:20
guides guidelines and logistical help to help you take that next step or go to
29:25
that next level in some of the things that you're dealing with in your life we also have some course content some
29:31
guides and a lot of educational materials over at maxed outman.com for
29:36
the coaching go ahead and go to maxed outman.com coaching and you can learn about that and then just go to maxed
29:42
outman.com for everything else thanks for joining us now back to the episode um and then we also do pellets it's
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probably our least favorite way or not probably it is our least favorite way to deliver testosterone to a man and it's
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there's it's a little incision given in the glute hip area and the pellets look like Tic Tacs I would say and you you
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make different paths or tunnels and you insert the these tic-tac-looking
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testosterone things into the glute hip and then it doesn't require a stitch or anything you can butterfly it shut but
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then you can't you know work out or swim or anything for a few days as that heals but it does run the wrist of extrusions
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potentially and but it is nice for the guys that don't have any interest in being compliant in anything like I'm not
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going to give myself a shot you know once twice three times a week whatever your regimen is I'm not going to apply a
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testosterone cream transcrotally or on my arm so then what what's what's our
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last option it would be testosterone pellets I I actually just learned about those and like I'm and I understand the
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advantages I understand why somebody would want to go that but like it sounds horrendous like I just
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I mean I've been in the room when they've been placed and I wouldn't say that I would be like I'm just and for women I think it's
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different it's it's very common for the women's that have the testosterone pellets inserted because they're typically only inserting like one maybe
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two pellets where with a man you're getting eight nine ten pellets inserted so these tracks are a couple inches long
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uh that they're being placed with what's called what's called a trocar and
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it's just it does not look it does not look like something that I I would I would want now the guy's numbed and they
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don't feel it but um again for the guy that travels a lot and doesn't want to deal with it they
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like it and and they don't have any issues with it so um yeah it's funny because I I've no I
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don't really have a needle a fear of needles but it's hilarious because I've probably given myself you know a
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thousand injections at this point um not quite that maybe four or five hundred but every time I get ready to
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jam myself I'm like I'm afraid before because it's but and in my case like I
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actually draw in with a 21 gauge needle and then I and then I switch the needle out to a 27. yeah and that still takes a
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long time 27 is but if you try to use the 21 I mean that's that hurts like hell so
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yeah yeah no I would say that we're typically most of our patients are using between a 25 and a 27 gauge and it
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honestly it doesn't it doesn't hurt that much what I found actually and I was I kind of had to do some research but I
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actually heat the I put I I load the needle and then I heat it slightly the
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syringe uh the liquid under hot water you know my mildly hot water and and
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that seems to help the viscosity a little bit at least you know depending on how cold it is we're in Montana so it
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gets cold so uh well you can always look at testosterone cream um it works really well and it it even
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increases uh has a better impact on your DHT levels um so that is more beneficial to the man
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as well if you can get yourself and that's a prescription too you just get the prescription you know just like you
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would with the with the injectable stuff for sure and how often do you so I give
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mine I've learned that if I you know my kind of up and down flow if I do Sunday night and Thursday night is typically
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when I because that's like three and a half days somewhere in there um is that kind of the same schedule you
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do with cream or how often are you or doing with cream no the creams you're applying every single day oh okay yeah
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so it's just kind of part of your morning routine so to speak okay yep just get out of the shower and put it on
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but like I said some people are are doing it twice a day so morning and evening but it just depends everybody
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varies yeah and with the ACG stuff I mean I I was reading some stuff the other day
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that there are a couple like if you're supposedly if you're a single man and actually it was interesting because they said gay men typically have more like
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they did this survey and they said gay men have more of an issue with testicular shrinkage than heterosexual
33:56
which I thought was it yeah I'd have to if I could find that article I said it to you but I thought that was really
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interesting yeah I haven't I haven't read that article I mean just from a female's perspective like I don't really
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think a man needs to be worried about their testicular size like if anything it's actually making your unit look
34:13
bigger so maybe just embrace it but seriously like no I don't know a female that's like oh wow I wish my husband's
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balls were bigger I don't it's not it's not really a thing so I don't think you really need to stress about it but I know there is I have read papers that
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there's like some psychological component for men and their manhood and like you know wanting it to be normal
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size so that's fine if that's if if that's how that's your thing but I'm just saying from a female's perspective
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I don't think a man needs to be stressed about it like I don't think you need to be taking HCG to you to female partner more than likely
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yeah and what's interesting I talked about this on another podcast I had a motorcycle accident that I actually have
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fresh fractured one of my testicles so like that yeah so and which actually affected my testosterone long term and
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didn't affect my ability to have children we had two after that but like that's if that one's already that way
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then who cares yeah okay because they don't retain full size after being fractured let me just
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let me just say that so that that's not really an issue so between the I mean so it sounds like definitely between the
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creams and and the injections there's not really pharmacologically there's not really that much of a difference it's just more
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of a convenience thing or like how do you how do you determine the recommendation to make a lot of times
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it's it's kind or if we or if a guy isn't getting the result that they want on one we might
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recommend another you know we'll play around with with their regimen but I would say it's pretty close to a 50 50
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split interesting on our patients that are on a cream versus an injection and
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it's got to be a compounded cream it's it's not like an AndroGel I'm not talking about right it doesn't work the
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same you can't put gel on transcrotally and it's a totally different thing you definitely need a compounded
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testosterone cream and there's that and does that fall on the same compounding pharmacies that
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you're dealing with on stuff like HCG like is it is it limited or you find that there's no your local Farm your
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local pharmacy can probably get it we use a compound pharmacy for just about everything that we do here I mean we're
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not calling the scripts into a local Walgreens or CVS we've got we compound
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everything uh specific to our patient and we don't have any um supply issues or raw material issues
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there that's good yeah so I know for for a clinic like yours
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who actually you take like a whole Wellness you know a holistic Wellness kind of approach can you walk me through
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that because I I think a lot of people sometimes will be like well I I feel like crap I'm gonna get this XYZ drug
36:47
and in this case we're talking testosterone therapy and it's going to fix everything and I don't have to do anything else right
36:54
like what's the overall what's what's kind of the overall education that you do for your for your patients to help
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them like you said you know live their best life and to maximize because I work out six days a week I do cardio six or
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seven days a week I try to eat right you know good protein not a ton of supplements but you know all of that
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stuff so that that's like my whole regimen like I do all of these things yeah so we're not just a testosterone
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Clinic we do several different things we we do the hormone optimization we do the sexual health erectile dysfunction we do
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weight loss we do vitamin IV infusions and then we have what's called like a
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victory VIP where we get more into gut health testing
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um that that type of stuff that takes a little bit more time food sensitivities but we start with a pretty large blood
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work panel and look at the overall all you know totality of your health and so
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we're running cbcs and iron and prolactin and
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um hemoglobin A1c and PSA and all the hormones thyroid I'm trying to think of
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it I mean it's a pretty large panel to get to get a picture of of what's going on and we do you know Health intake form
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too to understand your lifestyle what your work how you're working out how you're eating all of those things so
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whenever we meet with you we take all those things into consideration and have have the conversation around that our
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providers our doctors and our nurse practitioners like they they practice what they preach and they are also into
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health and nutrition and exercise so they are getting in the weeds with you about that because it's not at the end
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of the day it's not just a miracle drug you have to put in the work too and hopefully the testosterone can motivate
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you to go put in the work and people start to see results and once they start to see results results that kind of
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snowballs in into them you know buying in and then maybe making better eating
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decisions or are going to the gym that one extra day or lifting more weights or whatever that that might be that's what
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we find is that once once we get them motivated to do it they start to see results it can it can be life-changing
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like we had a patient in yesterday that lost a hundred pounds in six months I mean think about that a hundred pounds I
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mean that's crazy in six months so and that's uh you know the the power of the
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power of the Mind a testosterone and putting in the work and and supplying you with with the hormones or the
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medications that you need to to get it done so it's pretty incredible but we have some pretty cool blood panels like
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we do the IV drips and we can run what's called a micronutrient test on you and
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it looks at all the vitamin minerals in your body and tells you what you're absorbing at a cellular level so at a
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white blood cell level versus like your typical serum test which is a red blood cell test and
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um it it tells you what your body's actually absorbing and what you're deficient in and then we can custom make
40:02
your your vitamin packs or we can custom make an IV to just supplement what
40:08
you're deficient in because so often you're just like grabbing Off the Shelf at Target or Walgreens or whatever like
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assuming that you need this because you heard turmeric was good or you heard that you needed CoQ10 or you heard that
40:19
you needed a daily vitamin but when you take stuff that you don't need you can actually induce another deficiency so if
40:25
you actually know what your body needs and you just supplement accordingly I mean that's the best way to get
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optimized and then when you look at when we start to look at some of the gut health stuff
40:38
people have a hard time understanding the difference between food sensitivities and food allergies but you
40:44
know the the gut lining when you when you're eating things that your body is sensitive to has a food sensitivity to
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the the lining of your gut will you know kind of start to to break open and that leaks into your bloodstream and you're
40:57
having inflammatory reactions and your body's constantly fighting that off so if you know what those food triggers are
41:03
for you you might your symptoms might be just like oh I had some sight bloating or maybe you had diarrhea or maybe like
41:09
stuff that people might be blowing off when really what your body's having to do to combat that with inflammation
41:16
really does impact impact your longevity and your overall health so there's like a lot of things that we look at and it
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also depends on how how invested the guy wants to be and sometimes that comes in
41:28
stages sometimes it can't be all in one visit that that we're getting through all this but once they buy in and start
41:35
to see changes usually you know they come along for the ride on some of these other things so it's pretty cool to see
41:41
the impact that it has yeah because we're kind of talking a little bit of Boutique medicine kind of
41:47
thing you know it's not it's not cheap because it's extensive right like you're not going to go in and just get this
41:52
stuff from your your average doctor and they bill it to insurance and you pay your 20 copay right like it's it's an
41:58
investment in your health right right and I mean it's drone
42:04
I would say is writing people in that hundred and dollar range a month so I think
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um when you look at the cost of it I think if people want to make it a priority they can make it a priority and
42:18
you're not paying at least with us you're not paying to come back and see us every single time it's like it's it's
42:24
a service that that's your medication and our expertise and your office business are kind of all under one
42:30
umbrella so you know if if people are well why don't you take insurance well one we couldn't optimize you the way we
42:35
want to and secondly you got to look at it you're not coming and paying a copay every time you see us if we flip the model and charge you every single time
42:41
that you saw us which is every couple weeks I mean yeah it's you're probably going to be spending more in that case
42:48
and we'd be billing your insurance so I really think that if people want it they can set aside the resources
42:55
um to make it to make it work hey guys thanks for listening to this episode I hope you're enjoying it and learning a
43:00
lot if you're looking for extra help don't forget that I do offer one-on-one coaching we can talk through a ton of
43:06
different issues I can give you guides guys lines and logistical help to help
43:12
you take that next step or go to that next level in some of the things that you're dealing with in your life we also
43:17
have some course content some guides and a lot of educational materials over at
43:23
maxed outman.com for the coaching go ahead and go to maxed outman.com coaching and you can learn about that
43:29
and then just go to maxed outman.com for everything else thanks for joining us now back to the episode well I mean how
43:34
much are I don't I don't drink Starbucks because I'm I'm a cheap bastard but um like five bucks a day five bucks a day
43:42
is super easy to spend and I'm telling you right now I like my caffeine too but you're not gonna see you're not gonna
43:48
get out of caffeine what you get out of something like testosterone replacement therapy there's just the it's just like
43:55
it literally changed my life like I and I've been a workout guy forever I started losing muscle mass I started you
44:02
know I don't I've never been a great sleeper and that's just how my system is I need about six hours and that's just I
44:09
function best on that which is counter intuitive to what people will say but it
44:14
works for me uh but I in a depression anxiety and like no motivation and all
44:20
of those things and once I got on testosterone I mean it literally changed my life like I I don't wanna
44:26
understate how important this stuff is with my husband
44:32
I noticed because he was like always wrestling around and asleep and drove me crazy I'm like oh my gosh you're keeping me all night with this but whenever he
44:39
got on testosterone it like changed almost immediately it was it was uh crazy and extremely refreshing so that's
44:46
probably the number one thing that he tells people that that ask him about getting on it or curious about what we do he's like the sleep I cannot believe
44:53
how it changed the sleep and sleep is extremely important and like I you know
44:59
wear this Aura ring right here I track my sleep I'm very into my sleep how much deep sleep REM sleep
45:06
um that I'm getting so you don't don't underestimate the importance of this
45:11
yeah and I'm saying this is this is me in particular it's funny I do the sleep I don't have an aura ring I've actually
45:16
looked at them but I'll do sleep apps or whatever and and I always joke say that I have a I have a switch like a robot
45:24
like literally if I'm not asleep within two or three minutes when I go lay down it's it's like it's rare it's very rare
45:31
but when you watch the sleep it's literally awake deep sleep for six hours awake again like it it's I have the
45:38
weirdest like the way my system works that way and I gotta I've been I've done a lot of research on it to try to say
45:44
well well you know is this I'm just screwed up or what's happening is actually there's a little bit of a I
45:49
don't know if they call it a syndrome or something but there's actually a certain percentage of the population that
45:54
functions like this and so it's six hours that's I mean that's decent I mean
46:00
you're typically shooting for eight but I mean you're getting six hours of quality sleep
46:05
um I mean that's that's yeah I'm big on efficiency for whatever reason on everything I do so evidently you know
46:12
God just made me in a way that I could do that with sleep as well if I go to bed at like you know sometimes Michelle
46:17
my wife is tired and we'll go to sleep a little bit earlier 9 30 or whatever I'm
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up at 4 30 in the morning because my body is just like I'm up you know I I'm awake so yeah that that's just kind of
46:29
how it works but I know for a lot of people that sleep disruption I mean it just it kills you my wife is a she's a
46:35
nine hour girl she she functions best on on nine hours which we you know almost
46:41
everybody that gets married marries someone that needs less sleep yeah than the other or one's a morning person
46:47
one's a night person that's just that's kind of yeah type but
46:54
to that deep sleep so yeah um you know as long as you get as long as you can manage that and I use I'm
47:01
kind of a freak I mean I use these red light blocking glasses red blue like blocking glasses that I'm wearing prior
47:07
to to winding down for bed because it starts to trick your body to to think
47:14
that it's time to time to shut off so you can get into that deep sleep faster interesting and you can get into it
47:19
longer so you know and you like you don't you're not on your phone at night or anything like that right I'll be on
47:25
my phone with those on so I'm not okay now there's adding in your iPhone that on everybody's iPhones that you
47:32
you can turn off that blue light they call it like dark mode but it's still
47:37
not perfect and you if you're getting like um lights from your lamps or whatever so I I wear those like the last
47:45
hour before I go to bed if I'm picking up or running around the house whatever I'm doing I have them on interesting I
47:52
didn't even know that was a thing yeah and and my ring reflects the difference so I can get up over three hours of Deep
47:59
Sleep whenever I have the if I wear the red light blocking glasses but if I don't wear the glasses I'm typically
48:05
like an hour 45 minutes of deep sleep that's not Connie I'm not talking REM sleep I'm talking about the deep sleep
48:11
deep sleep yeah well that's I'll have to look into that my wife you know being again in that Paramount you know pre and Perry
48:19
amount of pot menopausal State she wakes up almost at the same time every night which I think has this you know it has a
48:25
cycle anyway but she the only way she can put herself back to sleep is to get on her phone she's a baker oh no and so
48:32
she gets so we've had this discussion she's like I literally cannot if I sit there and just stare into the dark I
48:37
will never go back to sleep but she's a baker and so she's on every possible baking Facebook groups and so she's
48:43
literally just reading you know she's she's doing all those things so
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that
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that you have to reset it again so I would definitely be looking at those glasses if I was like yeah well I'm
49:01
gonna you know they're not cute well I'm I'm probably asleep at that
49:07
point so you know who she doesn't need to be looking cute at three in the morning anyway I guess but
49:13
um so anything else that you want to talk about in terms of the I want to talk about the the podcast and kind of
49:19
what you're doing there but anything else that you want to give advice about you know testosterone therapy working
49:25
out any of those kind of things to kind of help the audience understand this a little bit better I mean I the main
49:31
thing if I was a man listening it to this is I would at least want to know my Baseline what what my testosterone
49:37
levels are even if today I don't have symptoms um I and I'm 25 years old or 30 years
49:43
old I would want to know what my T levels are so as you you know age you
49:49
can know what your levels were when you when you did feel good so most of the time men aren't getting this checked
49:55
until they're until they're symptomatic right so you know I'm already I'm
50:00
already running these tests on my on my little kiddo here like we're running a spreadsheet and keeping track of all
50:06
this so that would be the thing I was like take control of your own health care even if Insurance isn't isn't covering it you can get online and get
50:13
these online places that you can order your own Labs even without a doctor's order or there's this group of Health
50:19
there's there's all sorts of resources these days where you can take control of your own health and and customize a
50:25
panel that you want to see not wait for your for your doctor to order it so that's that's what I would say to them
50:30
yeah I mean I wish I had the data from when I was 20 25 and four percent body fat and working out you know all the
50:37
time I I would have loved to have that data point of course this was you know that's in 80s or late 80s early 90s so
50:44
we didn't we didn't exactly you know that wasn't a normal thing that you would do but that's great advice and
50:50
honestly it's not that expensive even if you're not going to you know a facility like yours or doing Telehealth through
50:55
what you guys do if it's not that we have walk-in clinics I can go in and get most of the panel for 150 bucks or less
51:02
yeah and so it's not hard to get it's not like you have to get a doctor's order in order to go to a lab to get
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this which I think is a misconception that a lot of people have it's like well I have to go to the doctor then and we'll know just their walk-in blood
51:16
clanks everywhere some are better than others obviously yeah but uh and so like
51:21
if I wanted to work with you guys on on that side of the coin does your Telehealth is your and I know that
51:27
stupid FDA is getting involved and trying to screw with Telehealth stuff again which honestly I think Telehealth
51:33
was the biggest Advantage coming out of covid because I hate going to the doctor especially for like if I need to talk
51:40
about mental health or whatever it's like just get me on there and do that thing is is all of this stuff that I can do
51:48
through the Telehealth side if I can't get to St Louis uh so come visit you
51:54
guys so right now our Victory RX it's called is just for pde fives which is
51:59
like Viagra Cialis Levitra um but we're not doing our testosterone
52:04
through our Telehealth right now our policy is still we we need to see you in person one time lay eyes on you we have
52:10
an in-body uh body composition scale that we like to get people on so we know they're lean muscle mass their body fat
52:17
percentage all of those things so the Cs for hormones unfortunately you still have to come see one of our clinics in
52:23
in the St Louis area but for the for the pde-5s for the sexual health
52:29
side we are doing it through victory RX and I hope to someday the laws are a little confusing and a little gray they
52:36
kind of like leave enough to be interpreted to get somebody in trouble if they really wanted to in my opinion
52:42
like it's still like I don't know and with with the covid laws swinging back
52:47
and forth we haven't made the investment into doing a controlled substance uh in
52:53
multiple States via Telehealth yet but I hope that it's something that we can eventually offer and do I'm keeping an
52:58
eye on it I'm trying to build the platform and the system to make it a a smooth process for guys like right now
53:04
our Victory RX is just a text to Telehealth so you don't have to create a portal you don't have to create a login
53:10
you literally text us hey I want those pills that I just heard you talk about and we send you an intake form that you
53:15
just fill out on your form digitally like please click these little buttons it's super easy so we're really trying to make it as easy for a guy as possible
53:24
to to access some of the stuff and hopefully eventually eventually we can do the the hormones through there
53:30
that would be great I mean obviously being able to help people and to go you know to go that step above kind of what
53:37
your average you know top five Google result will take you to not not you know
53:42
they're not all bad necessarily but they're more of like this is patient a and patient B and patient Z
53:48
all get the exact same prescription and then we'll check your labs in three months and see what happens and see if
53:53
it works and then go from there it's it's not more I think that's more guinea pig medicine necessarily than you know
54:00
than than what you guys are doing so I'd love to personalize love to see that yeah for sure and I love the idea to be
54:05
able to get the Ed stuff easily because it's such an embarrassing type you know yeah it's it's something that has a
54:12
stigma just like testosterone does as well you know it's Men's Health is crazy because it's like
54:19
we're supposed to be big strong men right and which actually makes us do stupid things like don't go see your
54:25
doctor and get a wellness check and you know don't explore some of your symptoms and and then all of a sudden you have
54:31
prostate cancer stage four because you're too lazy to go to a doctor once a year to check on this stuff right so
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yeah we find that unfortunately uh often we uncover a lot of these these things
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unfortunately because the guys have neglected it for for so long but yeah really trying to break down the stigma
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and the association even between testosterone and erectile dysfunction because just because you have low T doesn't mean you have erectile dysfunction just because you have Ed
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doesn't mean you have have low T but we haven't actually an all-female
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staff as well so you know early on I was told that I was crazy for doing that
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um but what I found from other clinics in our Market is they had an all-male staff and that just my husband was like I don't know I don't know if I like that
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so we've flipped the script on that and all females and our patients love it I
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mean we have a more like nurturing nature about us as a female you know and and men are always running
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their health care decisions past the female in their life so it's like you kind of you can skip that stuff if you
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want to because we're giving you approval or we're giving you that reinforcement that you're looking for to tell you that you're you know on the
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right path of things so um it's it's worked out really well for us so that's
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crazy that's actually I mean that's crazy in a good way I I love that idea you know it's funny I joke and say well
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I've been married 28 years we just celebrated 28 years a couple weeks ago I'll basically listen to any woman at
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this point to tell me what to do because I assume that she knows she knows better than me but um
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I think that's all super helpful I want to I don't want to keep you you know forever but I want to know about
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this is kind of counter-cultural right like your your whole thing with men want what's women want strong men yeah right
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so women want strong men this is this is counter cultural I don't I don't know what you think you're doing over there with with
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yeah I know I had some I had some friends on follow me on Instagram and
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Facebook over the name of my podcast I couldn't believe that I was like that's that's interesting
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um but yeah so my podcast name is women want strong men and I believe I I named
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it that because I believe it does take a strong man to appreciate a strong woman and I really view it as a sign of
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weakness from a from a man whenever they um do some of these things that we've
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seen in the like this hashtag metoo movement for example that turned into the like this toxic masculinity thing
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where I actually viewed it as the exact opposite like that man was weak and insecure and not healthy and all of
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these things that wasn't a masculine man in in my opinion so I really think that
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um men that are strong and confident and and like to provide and and take care of
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their partner can can lift up their female to to be the best version of themselves and by and vice versa and the
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female wants to do that for for their partner as well so I think we can live you know together happily and it doesn't
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have to be the this one versus the other which I feel like in the in the media these days you see a lot of it's the men
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versus the female whether it's in careers or politics or or cultural norms
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um and it just divides us rather than supports us 100 I think we're continuing
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to teach women that in order to be successful they have to act like men and we're and men are so freaking confused
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right now as to what they're able to be and what they're supposed to be that I mean it's I can't imagine
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being a young man now 18 19 trying to figure out okay well am I supposed to be
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Ken in this whole new stupid Barbie movie that came out see that I I did not either I've kind of
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heard enough from now but it's very emasculating very feminist or you know from what I understand and you know like
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I said but I have this poster behind me that literally says you know masculinity is not toxic some men just suck right
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like it you know exactly that's what I'm that's what I'm trying to say yeah so masculinity in and of itself is is a is
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a good thing I'm actually I've talked about this on the podcast before but my wife has spent the last five or six
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years working with all female Automotive builds welding uh and you know she was a
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stay-at-home mom but now she's involved in this world of just what I would consider like I said at the beginning kind of this badass badass woman group
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and and it's crazy because the women in that group are like the strongest most
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badass women that you will ever meet but she and I kind of do everything together so it's been really interesting for me
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because I consider myself like the traditional masculine you know more more traditional in terms of like not
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necessarily gender roles specifically but like as the provider and the protector and and all those roles but
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like to hear these women then talk about us as a couple later to say I would love to have a relationship not I would love
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to have a husband like yours but I would love for my relationships to look like your relationship
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yeah well because I think just because you're this quote girl power or a badass and can quote provide for yourself or
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you don't need a man that doesn't mean you don't need a man you still want a
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man to to give you that you know sense of security and protection and that
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strong and just because you don't need them financially doesn't mean we don't need men altogether and I think that's
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where this the confusions this girl power confusion just because I think it's something like 40 something percent
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of women now are uh the The Breadwinner and the family so cultural roles have
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shifted a little bit but just because we're able to provide for ourselves and we're not relying on a man for that
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anymore doesn't mean we don't need a man we still we still want a connection with a man and so I think
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um the the lines have just been blurred a little bit there yeah yeah I mean it's
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like it's so confusing right now I mean Michelle and I are like I don't like our
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kids are 25 and 24. and like to to write a raise you know how old is how old is
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your little one he's so he's 11 so you're getting into that so I mean that's like you've got a real
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Challenge and but you know to be happily married and have a strong man to be able to teach I think one of the problems we
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have now is that men are not teaching their boys how to be men anymore look how many families don't
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have men in the household yeah that's a major problem that's probably the number one problem look at the inner cities I
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mean they would say that's the number one problem our society faces is that there's no men in these homes raising
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their children yeah because it confuses you know it's hard on the on the single mom it's it's
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hard on the kids because mom's trying to be both and she's she's simply it's not
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that she's not strong enough of course she's strong enough but she's not equipped in the same way you know I got
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in trouble because I posted one of my friends had posted a picture of him
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throwing his kid up in the air in a pool like just literally just launching this kid and I put on there that's why kids
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need dads and in my mind is because moms are more careful moms are you know you
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know moms are not the ones usually causing injury to their children and I had all these people comment like well
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we need moms too and women are just as capable I'm like shut up that's like I
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just yeah yeah it's not it's definitely not in either or so everything goes to
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the extreme yeah and I you know I I love that that's what you're doing out there
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because I think that's great education for men and women and then I'm trying on this side of the coin you know to to
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teach men that it's this is what masculinity can look like masculinity can be treating your wife with you know
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I open the door for my wife and I treat her with utmost respect and I you know
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cater to her in some cases and you know all of these things that's why I've been successfully married for 28 years that
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and she hasn't murdered me yet but like it's it's you know you can I want to teach them what true masculinity can
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look like not just like this Bros you know the the Bro beat your chest and all
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that stuff right no I mean like my husband's an alpha I'm an alpha and we perfectly together
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and balance each other out sometimes I need to be put in my place sometimes he needs to be put in his place sometimes I
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need you know attention and affection sometimes he needs it I mean um so I think just teaching your
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children that it doesn't have to be in either or you can both be successful you can both have your own careers you can
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both you know you know help each other open doors hold hands kiss like you have to be it's
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important for your kids to see that and and grow up like that yeah because it definitely I've got and I've talked
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about this before on the podcast so if I'm repeating myself I got a Father's Day text from my youngest and my
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youngest and I have this a little bit of antagonistic relationship she tends to be much more liberal than I am and you
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know all of those things that your kids turn out to yeah me too turn out to be the exact opposite of what of what like
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you had in mind but she sent me this text saying that she how thankful she is
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to have grown up in a house that gives her a model for what um how a man is supposed to treat his wife and like that
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to me all right I did I did my job you know in that case that's awesome because we used to joke and I'd be like hey you
1:04:02
know that I think it was a Cosby joke or something it's like I'll make two more just like you I I you know understanding
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that Mom is the most important one in the house not not the kids and um but yeah that was that was something
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that really really just stuck with me yeah I love it and that's great and having those particular roles so but
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well I appreciate you taking the time I know you're a busy woman being the alpha you know part-time Alpha in your family
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um but how do we find you how do we find more information if we're not in the St Louis area but we we do want to kind of
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explore some of the sexual health stuff obviously we can do that yeah so so uh my my email is podcast
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amystuddle.com I'm sure you'll know that's about my last name and then
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our website's victorymanshealth.com the for the pde fives it's victoryrx.com and
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for the women listening the women's clinic clinic is embodyherhealth.com and I'm on social
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media as something subtle my last name but I can send you all that's attach in your show notes yeah we'll put we'll put
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all that in in there and I you know I guess I need to start shopping for um St Louis uh airline tickets so Michelle and
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I can come down and and visit visit both clinics so one two punch I like it you can go there and you
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I like it for sure well thank you so much Amy I hope you have an awesome day thank you all right we'll see you bye
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