Episode 29 - Adventures in Hair - Advice and Education from World-Renowned Barber - Carmelo Guastella

Kevin and Carmelo spend the episode talking about men's hair, hairstyles, being adventurous, and using the right products. Plus, what do do with thinning hair. Kevin also gets a personal hair challenge from Carmelo!

About Carmelo:

With 30 years of experience, Carmelo is an established and respected hairstylist and authority of men’s luxury grooming. Over the past 30 years, he has collaborated with major companies and brands in the men’s luxury grooming industry including The Refinery, Unilever, Phillips, Gillette and Dolce & Gabbana as well as major PR and advertising agencies. His many accolades include the GQ’s “Barber of Choice”, and he was appointed International Ambassador for Dove Men + Care Expert Shave Range.

Both high profile individuals and multi-national corporations prize Carmelo not just for his professional consultation services, but also for his expertise in influencing and interpreting trends in men’s hair, grooming and beauty-related projects. 

In addition to cutting the hair of his select clientele and advising on the development of men’s grooming projects, Carmelo is much sought after as a hairstylist in the creative world of men’s runway shows and fashion shoots.

http://carmeloguastella.com
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Transcript

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Welcome to maxed out man helping you
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become the man you were made to be hey guys it's Kevin Davis from the
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maximum podcast it's episode number 29. this is uh we're here with carmelo
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gustella uh he gave me the Italian pronunciation which I will never get right so we'll go with that uh Carmelo
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was is a uh Rebel Barber as he just described it to me so he's a barber fashion expert
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um grooming expert has his own product line Melody and he was the 2019 GQ
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Barber of the year and so uh I'm super excited to have Carmelo on here because this is a topic that is important to me
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um and I don't think it's that important to a lot of men so I think this would be super educational back in the day I
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don't even know if this I was thinking about this but I don't even know if this politically correct to use this term anymore but I would have been called a
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metrosexual so that was like the old old school term for basically a guy that took care of
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themselves well groomed um you know kind of heterosexual guy
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that did those things so that was kind of this term nothing coin but uh Hey welcome uh I appreciate you coming on
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board I'd love to hear more about you and what you've done and your I know you've been in the industry for a long time
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yeah I've been in a long time in the industry my name is Carmelo gustella I
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started my career at the age of nine in Sicily wow now it's very rare to really
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start at the age of nine uh barbering but my dad was old school uh he started yeah he was born in 1943
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the war almost started and uh he had to stop going to school and
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himself he worked in the land like from the age of nine years old and probably he went you know what you need to learn
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something as well none of my friends worked in a nowhere I was the only one at nine years
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old what do you want to do do you want to be a plumber do you want to be a mechanic
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and all right what's a barber shop he introduced me into the barbershop at
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nine years old I like the environment of the barbershop was uh you know you start soaping up
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people you start sweeping the floor you you you go out you this is like a
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sicilian barber shop in that you know in the in the 8485
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uh in Sicily so we're like in you know proper Sicily and uh
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yeah I don't know within a year or two I learned how to shave how to cut hair so
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by the age of 11 I could shave and cut hair wow and I was
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in a small town of 20 000 people and it's in the province of agricento
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and a loads of uh Sicilians moved to uh
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the US New Jersey our family over there and they had to leave Sicily anyway I'm
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still in Sicily I'm learning to be a barber uh the
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one funny story at the age of 12 I I was
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doing my own teacher's hair in Secondary School no I I it's when I think back this is
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like Okay so we've won uh I still go to
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school still go to school and um and I had to then move away
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we were away at the age of 19 I went into the army okay I was two years in the Army in the
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Italian Army um well I was supposed to be one year but then I signed an another year voluntary
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uh because then I I like I liked uh I think it was more to get away from my
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small town of Sicily of 20 000 people did my Army I think I went back yeah I
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went back to Sicily for one year still barbering doing her
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there's so many things I want to say on this code there's uh yeah so I went to Turin for
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three years and then I moved to London in 1999. and I've been in London since uh London
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okay I I I was born in London my parents moved in the 60s in the UK to work over
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here and they decided when I was seven to move back to Sicily
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I always had this urge to sort of come back to London UK and experience life
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and also to what I do with hairdressing uh with barbering
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I felt I could give more and London has been a fantastic place for me
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it's like the it's you know not the fashion Capital world but definitely I would assume it's way more fashion for
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forward than a 20 000 person town of Sicily when I moved in 99 I was very
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lucky to join uh one of the best places in London in Mayfair opposite claridge's
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hotel for five star hotel the level of grooming in the UK was
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really bad because I come from Italy where everybody really looks after themself
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um the UK was really bad this changed after 10 years
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and uh Men's Grooming then boom then there are lots of barber shops opened everywhere
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so man could look after themself and had more places where to go
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and yeah no it's great to be part of that and uh I was always interviewed to give
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advice on men's hair beards shaving skincare
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so I went to a lot of courses to learn a lot about skin care and
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to to learn so knowledge is power so the more you know of what you do
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before you can um they always had this um think about
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something that I learned in Sicily where is the way to deal with people and
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how to be social with people so haircutting is one thing
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but when you when a client comes in you smile
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give a hand you don't sort of go where you're going on holiday
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no that guy wants to sit on the chair and have his hair done
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I learned firm it's probably the art of
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what's best for your hair do you ever let's grow your hair longer so that's
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why I'm the rebel Barber because I've become then a specialist in in
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grown man's hair longer I've become a specialist in
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men with thin in hair to make their hair look thicker
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so that my main thing was and the art that I've learned was to
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make men look as best as they can whoever walked through that chair
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yeah I love that we always so I go to our hair stylist I actually don't go to a barber I have multiple occasions but
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but and so we could talk about the distinction but one of the we always argue about what to do with my hair and
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I usually just defer to her uh defer to her expertise in that
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um so I I that's interesting and I'm assuming that you guide your your clients in the same way
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so I I say I'm a barber because I it's where my roots are from
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but really I'm a men's hair stylist okay because there's a difference between
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those two at least in the U.S there's actually a difference in licensing but I'm interested because in so you know
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we're kind of a largely American audience not totally American audience but when you think of barber shops in the U.S which I know you Tour all over
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the world you know we've got the and now there's this trend to do this vintagey
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type Barbershop where you have the old school chairs they're using the you know
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the vibrant those old school vibrating hand massagers on your neck and you know they're blowing off with pneumatic hoses
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and and all that so there's kind of this Vision that we have what's the difference between that and what first
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of all what you saw in Sicily what you grew up with and then also what is traditional in the UK
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so the the Sicilian was uh very traditional he was
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uh as traditional as you can get but there wasn't any massage any head
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massage none of that with the America with the license it's
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very similar to Sicily so you need the license to be a barber
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now the UK has got has this amazing freedom
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where you don't need the license so Kevin I can teach you um in two weeks
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I get you over to London and you can start cutting hair wow so you don't need the license you can just open a barber
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shop so it's pure freedom because it's not it's not like you're a dentist you're a
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doctor you're a Veterinary Barbara and you can
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pretty much if you have the the basic uh skill
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craft in yourself then you you can learn it Barbara the way I see it is uh
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is a way of uh art and how you can transform somebody
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so what what I tell you okay this is uh I go straight to the point
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so in the UK I just talk about the UK about men's hair
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so Mente in the UK for me at the moment is boring and
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uninspiring ninety percent of men
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have short back insights sure and a bit longer on top
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if you're listening to this audio and have not seen any of my videos uh Carmella just described my hair just so
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you know sorry don't feel bad whatsoever I want to I
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I'd love to explore that more but don't feel bad at all I mean that makes sense no but it's uh look I started at nine I
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almost have 40 years experience in this industry so by now I should be retired
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instead I'm just going and uh like I've always been I've always
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been um I've always uh but this is what I'm seeing now so
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there are many reasons of this is one of the main reasons guys have had
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thin in hair and that's a guy's problem thinning hair
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so yes you keep your hair short that's the best thing even so
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some guys think they have thin and hair but they don't so they could do some there are tricks
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to sort of uh make hair look thicker without looking ridiculous
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then there's a another thing that Barbers today
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learn how to cut hair with clippers yeah
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um the and then they learn how to use the scissors
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so automatically when somebody sits on the chair s off because
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that's gonna take 10-15 minutes and and you see guys that grow their
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hair longer always go to hair stylists because they know how to deal with
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longer hair the other thing with men is uh stigma
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yeah so we see this like uh like men 90 of men have short
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back and sides ninety percent of women
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have long hair yep and what happens is uh
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when men grow their hair over that four week period five-week period
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everybody starts going oh my God you need a haircut foreign
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everybody starts going oh my God you need a haircut straight away and so that's where I'm
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being the the rebel Barber and I'm going to try and change this
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it's not just stigma it's um creatures of habit yeah so men would
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have the same haircut for when they're a little kid so when they're old they would never
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change it I mean that's that's yeah go beyond a certain level oh no
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so stigma the Ed you probably hear me talk about stigma and creatures of habit for
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a long time I'll describe I'll describe the reason I
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have the haircut that I do and you can tell me you know I've had so when I was a kid I had really long hair
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but I and then I had you know I went through the 80s and 80s phase grew up in you know early 80s uh had the mullet
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with the little rat tail thing that was popular you know do that kid thing and then I started cutting my hair short and
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I've kind of keep it keep it relatively short but I I do it for a few reasons first of all I think my shorter hair
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makes my face look thinner because I'm kind of getting that John Travolta you know Val Kilmer big head I kind of have
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a big head anyway and so that you know and feel free you could well you could kind of go through all this but my hair
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is super wavy and curly so traditionally as I grow it out it just gets bigger it
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doesn't necessarily get longer it doesn't have tight curls or anything like that it just is is since and this
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has got quite a bit of product in it Pomade well you you have hair yeah yeah I mean my my grandfather the reason I'm
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so red is because I'm 1 8th Native American my grandfather died at like 90 and still had a full head of black hair
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the other thing is as I grow in my sides I there's a little bit of white and gray
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and so I I kind of like it it tends to feel like it ages me a little bit you
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know there's this there's this meme I saw the other day and as far as like thinner the there's a guy in in a mirror
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with long with his hair that where he needs a haircut and he's kind of he weighs like 250
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pounds and then it says after my haircut and these all like super chiseled and ripped so it like
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there's this like thinning effect and it's psychological right so like
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it's it's completely but I kind of walk through walk through what you would do you know in my case and again if you're
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not watch if you're not watching this go go to my YouTube channel and you can see what see what we're talking about but
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yeah it's uh it's uh what you just explained
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is what I said about stigma so it's a perception
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so you have a perception that your shorter hair is gonna remove the gray and it's gonna make your head
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look slimmer it's it's a it's only a perception and it's a man perception and it's a
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continuation of a creature of habit Kevin you're not alone it's it's ninety percent of men
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that are doing the same and and I get my hair cut every two and a half to three weeks like I can I can
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grow hair like it grows fast I was joking so I could have another company if I didn't have to remove all the hair
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that I that I have to remove because I could just grow hair like crazy but the the the the thing is is that
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with where the level of uh Barbara I do look I only have private clients and I I
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go around and they come to me and I do photo shoots and and product endorsements
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is if there's no point you coming to me me doing your hair
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so you come to me I go all right Kevin grow your hair longer
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if you want to see me that's what I do and I I will get you to a level
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where and you know what you probably will grow your hair go you know what I don't like it I want to go back short fine
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most of the time I will
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I'm writing what I'm saying you basically have so I just don't get a
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haircut for six months or whatever no I would say uh for me probably three
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months would would do it but and then you go and shape it after that yeah do a
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reshape so when I grow some with his hair longer they don't come and see me once I get into a proper shape
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they come and see me after two months after two months
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something like that and they go you know I'm really enjoying it so what happens is and this is what happens
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guys will tell you your hair is getting longer woman
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will sort of go oh I like your hair with a bit of a curl in there
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yeah I I could guarantee and I speak to a lot of women about men's hair so we
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could I could be in a restaurant we can chat about this all of them all of them
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say yeah men's hair is boring short back inside and then we sort of look at somebody
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with a bit longer hair goes oh that that's interesting
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I mean are we talking like Matthew McConaughey long because he's you know he's obviously because he's an actor and
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I know you actually deal with a lot of a lot of you know stars and and movie production and that kind of stuff but
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like he currently has very long and he has curly hair so it's kind of this
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yeah I mean it has a It looks interesting for sure yeah uh there's not so what's
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happening today is um Harlow Matt Matt Harlow the UK rapper
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anyway he's got curly hair I uh I need to get his name uh there's not actually
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Many Men role models that long hair
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now in the UK we had by the way this is what I'm saying now
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I'm going to throw this out on social media very soon it hasn't gone out yet so I've been
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keeping it so you're the first person that's getting this that and you could
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go to tick tock Instagram nobody say this what I'm saying
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but it's uh I've been researching it for quite a bit
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so we had in the UK David Beckham the footballer
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so David Beckham when he's in his young age he did lots
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of hairstyles he did long hair short hair Mohican uh mohawk
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anything you did he was copied um in the UK we don't have a role model
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today for men everybody has the short boring
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back inside sorry I I don't mean to and this is what I don't want to do is criticize anybody that has short hair I
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have to be careful yeah I mean I don't I don't take it that way personally because everybody has their own personal style I mean it so it's it's a funny
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story with me because 50 I've been married 28 years just celebrated it last week but early in my marriage my wife
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would literally just take a number three or number four like the whole thing just kind of buzz it up a little shorter
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number two on the sides and then my daughter when my daughter got to be early teen she's like Dad you gotta get
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and I was like the Crocs and cargo shorts and just the quintessential nerdy
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father and I'm not criticizing anybody else except for if you're wearing Crocs they're definitely better to choose to
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choose those are I wrote an article once comparing Crocs to minivans this basically just means that you've given
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up um but side note so she was like you have to do something about your hair and
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your style and all that so who was saying that my daughters my daughter said that to me how old was your
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daughter 12 or 12 or 13. did you see what I'm saying so she started she started to be
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like Dad you look you know and I have a pretty decent social media presence and we're I have multiple Brands where I'm
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out front and so it became important and then what's funny is even with this with this
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style I used to have a taller pompadour a little bit a little bit more in the front and um people started talking about my
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hair like it became this thing I one of my buddies literally introduces me as the dude with good hair
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primarily because I'm 50 and I still have all my hair I think yeah
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another thing that I haven't uh come out with it yet and
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it's the Carmelo my method of working okay so my method
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of working is bespoke to every single individual
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person so if you come in somebody else comes in you've got different hair from somebody
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your profession is different your your age is different your skin tone is
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different you the the way your hair grows is different your hair can be thick fine
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the direction of the hair gray hair the density of hair so I look before
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somebody sits on my head it says for the first time before you sit on the chair I already
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know what to do but once you sit on the chair I go how would you like your hair
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so I will get something back most of the time I get um because then people know me and have
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recommended to me they say well I come here to get advice from you okay that's what I want
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once you give me advice all right I'm doing now whatever I want and I'm telling you what I feel because after 40
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years of experience I've I've gained some sort of uh knowledge again I'm not
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always right and sometimes I get clients sitting on my chair
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and their hair is cut well and it's amazing because it's there's nothing I can do
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here it's like um I think as your hair is it's fine
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I'm honest in that sort of way but if this any Improvement and Improvement can also
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be in when bloke is his hair is thinning I've got techniques of cutting hair
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so make the hair look thicker there's products to make the hair look thicker
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these guys use the wrong products and make their hair look greasy you you want
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the head to look thicker yeah yeah I specialize in that as well apart
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from growing the hair longer I'm curious so just to shift gears a
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little bit I love that information but I'm interested so if we're talking to kind of the every obviously you deal
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with a level of clientele that's not really the average
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bloke as you would say right so we were talking before we started started the
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recording that so many men don't do anything with their
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hair so like they're literally just kind of maybe go to Supercuts or you know
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whatever with there's nothing wrong with that necessarily but it's it's the I want to talk through kind of overall
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styling grooming all of those as it relates to kind of the normal guy kind
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of going through that because I know you deal with all sorts of people but you know this is something that I think is lacking in at least American culture
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um as far as men go it's it's over here as well uh yeah
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so it's not the thought of the the guy uh that goes to the barbershop has his
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hair short uh should be the barber to sort of go
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you I think we could your hair could be a bit longer so I'm not inspiring to
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just uh just men and it's not men's fault when they go to
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the barber shop is the barber that needs to sort of go all right let's get your hair growing a bit longer
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because some guys with shorter hair on the size does not suit it because
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um this this different head shapes and but we need the hair a bit longer a
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bit on the sides and something going on uh but so I say something about the UK about 10
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years ago there was a a longer hair period there was a good
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styling period models it was uh yeah it was getting really
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good in terms of hair lymph they was it was interesting was Arty
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then 10 years ago the Clipper was interested introduced
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heavily into the barbershop over here probably you had this scene that's just
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that's just running Clippers through your hair so it's it's fades
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okay yeah so the Fades is when there's literally no hair on the side and then
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it fades through now this was a technique used uh in um
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many black barber shops where it's understandable because yeah
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with the hair it's the best thing it's just really kind of short and this so specialized so the barber shops in the
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UK learned the technique doing it on everybody and
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for me the Clippers have sort of um
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diminished their art of using scissors and the Art of uh uh
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being interested that's why I said men's hair today is boring and not interesting and on a black guy
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with really short hair looks really good perfect you leave just a bit longer on top looks amazing you can't because if
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they grow it out I mean that's where the afro comes in their hair yeah curly yeah and then with the and then which is you
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know another style for sure yeah and then you can do other thing with afro hair but if you don't grow it out
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it's the best to keep it really short and it looks amazing but the the UK barber shops have then
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implemented this to everybody and I look around and go
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it's been implemented in a way of it doesn't suit
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um yeah I don't know what I feel sad about it
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but it I go around I go around I go around and look at men's hair all the time
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and I go oh God tight
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yeah it's uh yeah only because I see uh something and
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that's what I do it's my job yeah now again get I'm curious how we get men to care about
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their hair right like I think some men do and I think you know kind of
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keeping it tidy is probably okay but like I don't I just like me right it was
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just easy to take the Clippers and Buzz it down and all that kind of stuff like what would you say to convince someone's
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like I don't care about my hair I wash it every day I don't even do anything with it I maybe run a comb
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through it that's it right so try and break the the
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routine and the stigma trying
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so the hair gets inside of here around the neck so just get a clip and just get rid of the hair of the neck yeah just go
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tiny bit longer the other thing is that you know you saved probably two weeks of money there
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for one haircut try and go another week just tidy up back here
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and you've got another two weeks so you've got another another two haircuts so you saved money
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try and find somebody that goes can you cut hair full
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guys with longer hair try and do a bit research for somebody that cuts hair not with clippers but
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with scissors and give that shape okay that's my advice yeah to try to because it's you
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know obviously my this this is a my audience tends to be a little bit
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more conservative and um and so but it's like your wife or girlfriend will
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appreciate you having hair that actually looks good right and
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let's I want to get into grooming as well because this this whole conversation basically is I want to
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educate men to kind of like I was thinking about a title for this episode it's like get off your ass and
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comb your hair it's kind of you know the the idea but I I I'm thinking in terms
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of like how do we get them you know to improve their fashion and grooming and hair styling and all of that
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yeah it's it's I think it's actually a as I said the the guy is not gonna know
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how to do it it's not going to feel comfortable still he goes and sees somebody like me
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or somebody at that level of course they're probably gonna charge more
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or it's not gonna feel comfortable going into that place but it is it's breaking that sort of
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habit and routine of going to the same barber shop going to the same place
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and having the same thing every time cry out at the end of the day look it's it's
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only here and if somebody tells you what are you doing with your hair uh just throwing it
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out a bit see what happens it's it's just going it's a bit like
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um what what do men do when they're like over 40 midlife crisis they buy a motorbike
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or a quarterback here yeah or they go hiking for like 10 kilometers or they do
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a marathon hair is no different hair is uh breaking a habit of what
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you've been doing since your child break it go and find somebody who makes your hair
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look good go and ask him what products should I use how can I make my hair thicker I always had short hair on board
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of my short hair now the nice thing about hair is that I mean
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assuming you have hair it'll it'll you know it grows and then like you can
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change it if you decide later I just really don't like this just go cut it it'll grow back it's fine yes it'll grow
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back you can um cut it short if you don't like it but uh
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the the other things a lot of guys with thin and hair and I've seen here in the UK the last 20 years
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hair transplants here just like the normal thing so yeah thin and Air they transplant their head so they take
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hair from the back and put them here yeah there's tons of solution I know I
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know like Rogaine and some of the other things are actually fairly effective right I mean obviously once the hair
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follicle was dead it's not that's where the hair transplant comes in right no no yeah that's right chemical stuff
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actually work no they don't work okay
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uh it's just the I shouldn't say this here I probably shouldn't put it here just to get a sponsor from broge uh it's
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just it's just the alcohol that work the ALCO stimulates the blood flow and the
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ALCO expands the hair because the cuticle is open making the hair look thicker oh okay it's uh otherwise uh the
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road game will cost a thousand pounds a bottle wow probably yeah it's it's the alcohol
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uh in the alcohol content of the product
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yeah look I mean I look I'm not endorsed by anybody I'm not sponsored by anybody
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so I'm not too worried about whether or not we call out because I don't want people that are here saying oh I'd love
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to grow my hair out but it's it's thin therefore I will go get this whereas so
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you're saying basically and I mean hair transplants have been around forever I actually had a guy that I worked with in
35:29
the 90s that kind of like he had a bad hair transplant I mean it literally looked like you know where you take like
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a bald cap and you can and they're they're doing color where they pull the hair through it looked like that only
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just very sparse and it's like don't do that get somebody there that's what they're doing right it's like a a doll
35:48
you know like the dog like a Barbie they're plucked in that's the old system now they're putting them one by one uh
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I've had about 30 of my clients because I've consulted my clients in doing it because I've introduced them
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to the places where they do it and the the worst thing they can do is just doing it
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oh yeah perfect line here nobody has a perfect client here so you have to do a
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bit rigid up and down so to make it look natural and what are the what does that usually
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cost I know we're looking at pounds are actually fairly similar now but yeah
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well in London about seven thousand for eight thousand pounds going on to fifteen thousand depending where you're
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going and also depending how much you need sometimes people just need a tiny bit here
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tiny bit here some people go you know need to go in for two days all depends about your donor
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how much hair you have on the donut area if your donut area is weak you cannot
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then fill up the top that much and they kind of basically use like a almost like a hole punch right they essentially
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punch it out and then punch it back in it's like moving a tree in your yard you'd cut it out and you move it to
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another spot so I've been in the operation room when they were doing it with my mask like a doctor at some point
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they wanted me to do it because they wanted to teach me but I don't know so
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what they do half the day they take out the hair from the back one by one and
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it's with a an injection and then they twist it around pull out and they put their hair in the tray
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then like you said the second part of the day they punch holes
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and in those holes then they put in the hair of course they have the uh the microscopic glasses so then punch
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the hair in the hole and it takes about two days for the hip hair to attach to the blood flow
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and it starts growing again that's crazy and I mean honestly yeah seven to ten Grand 15 grand that's a lot
37:56
of money however the and I mean you know some some people are fine being bald actually
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it's one of you know I I'm I feel very blessed that I have a full head hair like I don't like I I my dad is bald
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and he's always done the you know the the all right just stop dad you know he's
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kind of doing that doing that come with her I mean he's in his 80s now so he cares less but he went bald really early
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my brother started thinning really thin so I feel very blessed to have a full head of hair but like the impact of your
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confidence appearance and all that is probably pretty significant right it is
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uh especially on the youngsters and I've seen recently you know uh youngsters are
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as early as 22 23 25 in their 20s having
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hair transplants and for them it's like
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you know it's it's a confidence thing of a of a man yeah
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50s or 60s going bald it's kind of expected if you're in your 20s have you
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I mean you've studied all this stuff is that a result of stuff like you know phthalates and all like all
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these chemicals that are in our system that it's happening younger I mean obviously we have type 2 diabetes
39:19
at age 12 and all these other things based on diet exercise chemicals and all
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that stuff yeah I'm just curious if we if we know why people are going bald yeah it's
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mainly uh it's uh it's already in our DNA
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okay so the DNA you already you if you got the bad DNA from your
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grandparents from your your grandfather your grandmother and you have that DNA you you lose hair
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it's it's not much you can do and it's to do with a with an enzyme
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and uh that connects with a high Hydro testosterone
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that then uh stimulates the the hair loss speed you'll see like a
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the grandfather will have the same hair loss or the father or them from uh the Sun and you can have
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three or four brothers two brothers have no hair the other two brothers have hair
40:24
it depends from your DNA and then there's other factors that could be
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stress factors like alopecia but they're factors that
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happen for other reasons in life but the DNA is uh in
40:43
bigger set is the reason okay I wanna I wanna ask a question because I've we live in kind of come you
40:50
know farmer country so does do guys that wear hats all the
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time does that cause you to lose your hair faster or are the guys wearing hats all the time because they've already
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lost their hair that's the because a lot of times you'll see these guys pull their head their
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hats off and they're like like where's your hair no wonder you wear a hat all the time
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it's a DNA thing um and it just that's that's that's how
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you're meant to look it's a bit like the eyebrows you know you get some guys I start their eyebrow starts
41:28
growing longer if you look at the the grandfather will have the same eyebrows yeah I literally just trimmed mine this
41:35
morning by the way oh well there's there's an actor that kind of has like there's caterpillars growing on their on
41:42
their face like it just mine just grow like crazy so I have to kind of keep them
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yeah yeah they get and they start to get S very long if I go yeah do that so
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and when you cut them they come out quickly and then they sort of stop at a certain length they don't grow any
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longer yeah have you noticed that they're sort of uh remote controlled
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yeah I kind of I try to keep them relatively relatively twin uh trimmed up
42:17
but using an eyebrow I was thinking about that this morning using the eyebrow brow trimmer is one of the most
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dangerous parts of grooming because one little slip
42:30
especially if you got like me you got to be on camera and and that kind of stuff I'm like it's yeah it's frightening you
42:36
have to go to your wife's makeup room to sort of uh just ask for some uh draw
42:41
them in draw them hey I know something uh eyeliner painting your eyebrow
42:48
so a lot of times you go there is a trend yeah it's it's just gone it's Let's uh I
42:53
want to talk about grooming right like I I assume this is the same in the UK but in general
42:59
men are not prone to good grooming habits is that something that you and so
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like I would you know whether it's showering regularly you know kind of keeping yourself if you
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got a beard kind of keeping it trimmed up all of these you know using good hair care products using good skin care
43:19
products all of that stuff kind of is not quote unquote manly which is funny
43:24
because this is about masculinity this whole thing but what I'm trying to get across is it's it's not unmanly to take
43:31
care of yourself and keep yourself groomed I I think this there's been a
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uh a massive Improvement in the last years and I think there's a bit more
43:41
effort of course women would like you know uh we're not never going to reach
43:47
the level of a woman screwing uh it did this you know there's even look
43:54
even cutting the hair short that that is grooming at the end of the day that is every two weeks going to the barber shop
44:01
and having a short haircut that is looking after yourself and showering deodorants
44:08
um looking off the bed I I think it's more
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it's more is how you change the look that's that's where I'm
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I'm more strongly based on and is that PR that's primarily with
44:25
hair but also you're talking about clothing and you know all of those kind of things are you so if a guy's super
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unkempt like big cargo shorts like I used to be a shirt that's two sizes too big like you know if you're wearing you
44:39
know because like now the trend is seven inch inseam shorts you know not quite
44:44
Magnum PI back in the 80s level but I just actually bought three new pairs of
44:50
shorts that are kind of you know more in pastel type colors seven inch inseam and I was like these are awesome these look
44:56
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just go to maxed outman.com for everything else thanks for joining us now back to the episode I have relatively thin legs I work out all the
45:39
time so they're fit but they're relatively thin um and like I try to buy shirts that are
45:45
what I do is if I find a shirt that makes because I'm fairly athletic so if I find a shirt that makes me look
45:50
athletic I'll buy like four of them so I'm faint I'm vain like that but stuff
45:56
like that like choosing uh choosing to be a you know you don't have to be like Couture and on the runway look
46:03
but just choosing better choice making better no no I I can talk about London and I I see what goes on in London
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and everybody looks good in terms of what they're wearing
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they look after themselves it's just that hair thing for me is
46:27
um which you know is fine but that's uh I think they could be a bit more
46:32
creativity remember so you're like a lot of I assume in London you've got more
46:38
um you know business professionals and that kind of stuff there so they're probably better better everybody is of uh they they really spend a lot of money
46:46
in uh clothing and we've got a lot of choice here we've got a lot of uh
46:51
we've got a lot of people that give advice and on on dressing up and
46:57
where to wear and there's a lot of places there's a lot of choices and I I feel America I don't think that's
47:03
American culture I don't think American culture yeah I don't know much about you
47:09
know the but if you probably go to New York that'll be like London
47:14
yeah like in the financial district probably more so um you know it depends on where you're at but so that scene where you go Soho
47:21
you go to Bronx Queens it'll be trendy there'll be they the the the trainers there'll be
47:27
more Nike trainers uh vintage and and
47:33
for sure so I noticed you've got a little bit of you've got a little bit of growth in your beard
47:40
um is so here in the U.S these huge kind of
47:45
Grizzly Adams level beards you know just just huge are the
47:51
are the trend is that is that something that you guys have over there I don't grow up you know
47:57
again this is Vanity on my part but one of the big reasons I don't grow a beard is because it Age first of all my wife
48:03
doesn't like facial hair but it also ages Me by about 20 years if I grow out
48:08
my beard yeah and the same same with me uh after
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it gets I shave once a week I think this is a personal thing so in
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one week my it feels itchy and I need to get rid of it and processes starts
48:26
getting a few Grays so I said but this is on a personal level um I really don't know how guys can just
48:34
grow a big massive beard especially when it's summer and it's hot
48:41
but we've had this big trends of big beards here about five six years ago in
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London and in the UK but they've all they've all come off
48:53
they've all become shorter so yeah I'll tell you something about the the
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beard in 2008 there was a financial crisis
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And when everybody lost their jobs every lawyer Banker person said they all
49:14
started growing their beards so when they then went back to work
49:19
everybody had like a stubborn a bed there also was uh David Beckham the role
49:25
model who grew a beard as well because he uh Gillette did not renew his
49:32
contract and he said you don't renew my contract from that
49:38
point on he went I'm never gonna shave ever again uh yeah he had a big contract with
49:46
Gillette before he then went I'm not I'm not not gonna shake then there was uh
49:52
the gladiates of Russell Crowe also what happened is
49:58
yeah back then man when they were going to their offices they were shaving every day
50:04
they went perfect we don't need to shave every day now we could just grow a beard
50:09
and it's sort of taken off that 10 15 minutes of shave every morning
50:16
to probably sleep an extra 10-15 minutes so I so beards look good at certain
50:25
point but if you let some people you let it grow out it looks bad it looks like you you're
50:32
just not looking after yourself so for me the the beard
50:38
is the silver the natural laziness of man to not look after themselves
50:45
even if they even if they actually spend a lot of money on beard care and oh no
50:50
that's different that's different it when the the culture of growing the bed
50:55
longer that's that's that's different that's uh
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that's a style that's a trend um for certain places so it's it's a
51:08
Harley-Davidson Rider you know yeah he's gonna have a big beard I feel comp and
51:13
he looks good with the big beards because he's got the leather he's got a big Harley
51:30
I just can't see myself doing that
51:35
but I could see that guy with a square big but in London they've all a lot of the
51:42
big beards have come off that's that's interesting What's um so I
51:47
know you have a you have kind of a skin care product line um here and there what what advice so I
51:54
use a product line called matte for men which is actually um just a US brand and it works so I use
52:01
their facial cleanser and I use kind of a moisturizer which has a little bit of
52:07
um sunscreen in it and it's like I don't break out at all like I get my skin
52:13
stays clear and healthy and moisturized and all that um I don't think most men do much more
52:19
than just wash their face probably with whatever you know three in one body wash that they're they're they're
52:25
yeah I think this percentage is uh smaller going onto a routine uh
52:31
moisturize up is something that needs to be used especially when you live in a hot
52:39
country and and just by using soap on your skin you're depleting the sort of natural
52:46
barrier of oil you have in your skin so what happens by taking away that
52:52
natural barrier is your
52:57
fastening the the aging process of your skin so soap remove an oil from the skin is
53:05
bad and that's scientifically today especially scientifically proof so the product I have with Melodies is uh
53:13
it's a serum that goes to give you that Skin Barrier so the Skin
53:20
Barrier see the the skin is very clever
53:25
so you know when you use soap on your skin and you dry out your skin the skin knows to produce more oils so it's about
53:33
seven layers on the skin so they all go all right there's no oil up there this brings some oil up that's
53:40
why after you sometimes use the soap after about an hour or two the skin
53:46
starts getting oily that's because it's really work when you need to get worried about when we get
53:53
older that when you wash your skin with soap
53:58
it still stays dry that's a worrying thing because the skin then is going come on do
54:05
something yourself and don't use soap on your skin so we don't need to work so my
54:11
product what it does it's a product for sort of over 30 when the the elastin of
54:17
the skin and the collagen of the skin starts breaking down that's that's normal it needs help to have a barrier over the
54:25
skin to have delayed the aging process
54:32
and again that comes down with DNA as well but don't help it by
54:39
drying out your skin so you need there's a big difference yeah there's a big difference is it soap
54:48
moisturizers and mine is 100 oil and it has uh even in Primrose rosehip
54:57
almond there's a combination of various oils and vitamin E
55:02
that goes and helps so I mix it with a moisturizer mix them both together
55:07
put it on and hope for the best so I don't lose I don't I don't make my
55:14
skin cells work too much to produce the oil it's on the outside
55:20
and do you ship internationally or do you ship internationally I guess we should ask that question okay yeah all
55:25
right so it's just yeah you'll give me that URL in a bit but what okay so I've I've kept you for a long time so what
55:31
kind of give me the summation of advice for your average everyday man in terms
55:37
of hairstyle grooming fashion to kind of do take that first step to improve those
55:45
things improve your look improve your attractiveness to your spouse or other women you know not other women if you
55:52
have a spouse but you know women in general that kind of thing yeah I would
55:57
say uh be adventurous be different
56:04
do something different you just look different just don't don't look always the same as you do so it's
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like you grow your beard grow your hair and Cone research nearby
56:19
who specialized in cutting longer hair
56:24
of course it's very difficult for me to to say do this is everybody's different
56:30
and I I'm just saying change the way you look
56:37
and I like it and grow grow your hair out right now but also also when you've
56:44
got have thin in hair you feel you have thinning hair there are products out there that can sort of mask
56:51
Okay so you spray something on I'm not saying you need to look
56:57
ridiculous you need to be subtle also I do hair colors so when the gray
57:04
hairs come through I subtly do color
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you don't see a few gray hairs coming here on the side subtle I've still leave some great hairs
57:16
out like example I've got I've got probably you can see here I've got a few gray
57:22
hairs and I just colored my hair actually can I take this off so I'm going to show this Palm here so I'm grow
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I've cut my hair for like a year can you hear me yeah
57:35
yeah I can hear you oops could you hit oh no can you hear me yeah I can hear you now you just can't
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hear us without your headphones oh yeah of course yeah yeah I did all right yeah I got that all right I just put it here
57:48
so my so I used to have always short hair so I just grow my hair out and just curled it
57:54
out and I've been doing something I've been cutting my own hair for the last year so what I do
58:02
so I can just cut my hair I see where I'm cutting it
58:09
so I'm giving sort of and is this is not something you should
58:14
do at home so it looks so on if you're you know for
58:20
our for our audio for our Audio Only listeners it actually appears like you're just cutting cutting random parts
58:26
of his hair which is not necessarily because he knows what he's doing but it kind of looks like that I just wanted to
58:32
say I'm not saying this to do anything but what and me trying to say to
58:37
somebody grow your hair now I have very fine hair
58:44
yeah and probably it shows but I wanted to
58:50
fight the thing of just always have it short hair so I'm growing my hair longer and I
58:56
haven't been cutting my hair from a barber for one year and I'm not saying this to do
59:03
but it's just like a personal experiment so I cut hair myself
59:09
yeah uh this is a on a persevere and
59:14
everything I say is personal from me and my way of thinking
59:21
and I'm not saying to anybody you need to do this because you look bad the main
59:27
thing is you need to feel comfortable on how you look and you need to be happy yourself and
59:33
how you look I can say what I want and what I feel
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because that's my profession yes so that's uh my principle uh
59:45
probably yeah so myself advice I like it and yeah
59:51
just be adventurous and kind of maybe take what's funny is that I I'm I missed making my haircut appointment so I'm
59:58
actually I have a I have a gap between my appointments so I actually have a seven week gap between my appointments
1:00:06
so like just for fun I might just go ahead and you know it's gonna grow anyway but I I like not you know what I
1:00:12
would trim the sides right I would normally I normally trim the sides once a week but uh maybe I just don't do that
1:00:18
all right you probably would keep in touch with your hair and um every
1:00:24
free full week you send me a photo what should I do now what does and I send you
1:00:29
a photo probably of what I think you should do but again I don't want to
1:00:36
okay the main thing I've come onto this show is it's out to inspire men and feel more
1:00:42
comfortable and feel more confident that's why I've come to a show and I feel if I was just a normal Barber
1:00:48
coming to the show I would say yeah Clipper your hand just clip on your hair every two weeks
1:00:54
no uh for me I wanted to bring in that bit of difference it's now Kevin
1:01:02
yourself you you now thinking about growing your hair longer yeah
1:01:08
stylus has been yelling at me to do it forever and I've always oh my God so she's been telling you to do it
1:01:16
we argue about it uh she hasn't been so she's been trying to grow the top a
1:01:21
little bit we fight these my hair does this weird like all in different directions so okay
1:01:28
look at my hair what does now you see these bits that come over here
1:01:34
over the years this these these [Applause]
1:01:40
everybody's going no what what are you doing it's like you are you having a
1:01:45
haircut I said no I just I don't I do a haircut myself I haven't had my haircut for a year
1:01:51
I'm just growing it out and a woman go oh I really like your
1:01:57
hair so I like the curls I like guys are like are you
1:02:02
yeah if I before I was on the podcast um somebody told me are you gonna sort
1:02:09
your hair out no so I'm doing somebody's hair and he's
1:02:15
telling me are you gonna sort your hair though the whole point is this don't don't guys don't worry about this
1:02:22
just this is hair don't worry just feel adventurous yeah yeah grow your hair
1:02:27
longer don't look like everybody else show back insides grow your hair longer if you have hair
1:02:33
just grow your hair out I know the intention was to inspire so
1:02:41
and I like one of the things I love about this show is that I get to talk to tons of different people right and I'm
1:02:47
always inspired to do different things if I don't like if I don't like it I'll
1:02:52
just cut it off again that's not I mean it's like that's right but it's but it's good to be inspired from someone of your
1:02:59
stature uh you know not that I don't trust my I've been going to my hair stylist for 20 years so I totally trust
1:03:05
her and we have this like funny relationship because she we're we're kind of she does battle with my hair
1:03:12
because it changes every time I go in the the growth pattern kind of does this weird wavy thing and yeah it's fine go
1:03:20
with the wave let let the wave go out there's nothing wrong with the wave so Kevin it says five
1:03:28
eight it's different if you like by your your hairdresser has been
1:03:34
telling you for ages to grow your hair longer you mean come on that's that's that is a
1:03:42
yeah that's uh it's a stigma it's a creature of habit you think it's habit
1:03:48
100 it's a perception
1:03:54
grow your hair over for four weeks go to your hairdress and just go right I'm
1:04:00
here do whatever you want yeah that's it there we go actually it'll be set it'll
1:04:05
be seven because I can't get back into her for almost for until oh perfect in
1:04:10
end of August is is I want to see your hair at Mid July go go longer
1:04:16
um and that's you know that's a change that you've seen yourself and and the
1:04:23
people that are seeing also in the podcast actually when this goes live I
1:04:28
should uh when after this and then people go all right
1:04:34
because of Carmelo now this is how I look now inside whenever I put because if I keep
1:04:40
growing it this will be two two and a half months probably by the time this launches or or so and so then it'll I'll
1:04:47
have faith in your hairdresser that's been telling you for ages to grow your hair longer but you you're um I feel
1:04:54
comfortable talking to you about this to say I've got no no problem that's otherwise you
1:05:00
uh that's what you want my honesty I'm not slagging you off it's uh but your
1:05:05
hairdresser's been telling you grow your hair longer she'll be happy she'll be happy to know
1:05:11
that that you have uh have inspired me to listen to her also because we uh
1:05:17
she's we have a we I mean first of all you need to apologize to her I apologize to you
1:05:24
for not listening to you but
1:05:29
uh yeah because I also have respect of my colleagues and
1:05:36
and also is for yourself just see and how old is
1:05:41
your daughter now so 25 I have a 25 and then she's 25 my youngest is 20. the
1:05:47
last time your daughter told you was she was 13 yeah and you always had the same haircut
1:05:53
uh since we changed the style yeah so it's been at least 12 13 years since I've actually changed it's been a lot
1:06:00
it's been a little bit longer on top but I've had the short hair for at least three or four years gray all out and get
1:06:07
the curls get the waves going around well uh I'll I'll take your advice I
1:06:12
love I love to see that and if if you do that and then go you know what everybody likes right that's
1:06:20
but again if you don't like it you go back to what you have yeah he's a perception uh it's what I'm fighting at
1:06:28
the moment to change men's perception well I'll be I'll be a good I'll be a
1:06:33
good case study okay you'll be the perfect case study because if you see now and when if if this goes live
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whenever you're going to do it in a month or two they said that's me now
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yeah you'll be a good uh ambassador yeah I'll take it I mean taking in I'll
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insert a little intro uh into the episode to be able to say I care here
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here's what here's what I look like now so enjoy the enjoy this but at the end or at the beginning at the end probably
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yeah probably at the end so then at the end uh uh now you have to grow your hair longer
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all right I look forward to seeing that I'm on it well thank you so much Carmelo honestly this has been super interesting
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and a little bit of you know hair therapy session for me so I appreciate you taking the time and sharing your
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knowledge with us yeah thank you it's also we didn't probably touch the psychology of men and but that could be
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probably for another time but actually we did such a psychology of man stigma and creature fabric that is
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we'll come back and talk about my longer hair and you know oh we'd all love to see your longer hair and uh and without
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the without these without the headphones a before and after photo will be great
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thank you absolutely all right Camarillo thank you so much thank you thank you for having me
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